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Old 11-26-2012, 10:57 AM   #11
 
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These would be good . They look different in the store their really small and are red
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Would my artiscus work with them?
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This gourami, the Honey Gourami, is fairly peaceful and better suited to smaller tanks. And your 3-foot 30g [which has the same dimensions as my 33g] is on the smaller side, but the length does give you a bit more option.

Always remember that fish for sale in stores are in almost every case going to be juvenile, and thus small in size. But they will grow, assuming they are fed properly and in the proper space. Fish grow continually, unlike us, and they develop internally and externally; in insufficient space the internal development which we cannot see will be deformed, often what we term stunted, while the external skeleton does not develop as fast. This is what happens when the tank is too small, or water changes are not regular.

When buying fish, you must always consider their adult size, and plant for that. Like the Red Tailed Shark in that video: in stores they are about 2 inches or less, and look so cute, and people buy them. A few months later, the fish (if healthy and properly looked after) will be twice the size, and start getting territorial and very nasty, and it will continue to grow until it is 6 inches. It must have a 4-foot tank at minimum long before this, or it will not be properly developed, and its nastiness will be even worse--if it lives at all.

Always, always, always research any fish before you buy it. Make sure you now have the proper sized tank to house it when full grown. Make sure it is compatible in all respect: to your water parameters, tank environment, and other fish. If it fails any of these checks, do not buy it. It won't work, and the result will be sick fish, dying fish, frustration...and often leaving the hobby because you give up. This is a very common story. This is a hobby many people leave within a few months, and all because they did not research before buying. And sadly, one cannot be assured of the advice given by store staff in every situation.

Use our fish profiles. Most of the readily-seen fish are included. The data in the profiles comes from ichthyologists and biologists who know these fish well, and it is reliable and accurate. Back to the Honey Gourami, our profile [you can click the shaded name for the profile] notes it can be kept in a small group in a 20g or larger tank, so a group of one male and 2 or 3 females would be perfect. It attains 2+ inches, so the little fish in the store are probably half this size now.

To your earlier question on other fish, now you've mentioned the Honey Gourami. Tankmates must be quiet, sedate fish. Active swimmers--all the danio and barb species for instance--will not be suitable. The quieter rasbora species are good. And there are some tetra species, but be careful, as tetra can get fin nippy so avoid those species that may be inclined to nip [this is mentioned in the profiles]. And this is how you decide on fish, by researching all these aspects.

And the ancistrus should be fine in your tank and with these fish; you haven't given me the species name, and there are dozens of species in this genus, but those available in common stores will likely be a Bristlenose Pleco or similar.

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Old 11-26-2012, 02:40 PM   #12
 

check out my build.. all are compatible

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Old 11-26-2012, 03:10 PM   #13
 
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I notice that you have both a Bolivian Ram and a Kribensis in your plan.
Both of these are territorial fish, and all the research I have done on keeping them together indicates that they do not do well as tankmates.
I mention this as I too had hoped to have both Rams and Kribs in the same tank.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:36 PM   #14
 
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[quote=Ogre44;1327025]I notice that you have both a Bolivian Ram and a Kribensis in your plan.
Both of these are territorial fish, and all the research I have done on keeping them together indicates that they do not do well as tankmates.
I mention this as I too had hoped to have both Rams and Kribs in the same tank./QUOTE]
Agreed. I'm glad you found out that you might not have any major possible problem, but now is the time to research your fish.

Also, take a look at the recommended temp! There is no range you can fall in. Keeping a tank at 75.2 is NOT going to be easy. Maybe see what is in your stocking mix that you can exclude to give you a little more wiggle room on your temp.

Also, I am glad you came in and talked to us and are doing a bit of research before you throw them all in the tank. It shows that you care and that you will be a responsible fishkeeper. Keep up the good work and you will end up with a tank that both you and your fish will be happy with
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:50 PM   #15
 
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As others have already noted, there are issues with the proposed stocking.

The problem with AqAdvisor is that an online program cannot possibly take into account all aspects of keeping a fish healthy. This takes knowledge from research.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:09 AM   #16
 
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The fish profiles on this site can't be viewed on iphones or ipads (I've tried) - you have to read them from your laptop or desktop.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:17 PM   #17
 
done.
Penquin 350 on there.
aquaeon 50 gal heater
driftwood
couple of plants
ps: all fish are getting along amazingly
PH: is in its range got a 5 in 1 test kit everything very stable
Doing partial water changes every 2 weeks
6x cardinal tetras
1x bristlenose pleco
3x black widow tetras
2x powder blue dwark gourami
1x pearl gourami
1x betta (female)
3x zebra danios
1x roseline shark
getting rid of zebra danios and black widow tetras
will bolivian rams work ?
i want a school of 4











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Old 12-11-2012, 01:17 PM   #18
 
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will bolivian rams work ?
i want a school of 4
Not well. This is a solitary fish in its habitat, and males select a female and the pair bond usually for life, so getting male/female in a small space (3-feet is small to the fish) is asking for trouble unless they have already bonded in the store tank. More than one male is also asking for trouble, as there is insufficient space for their territories. And distinguishing male/female in juvenile fish is next to impossible. All this in in the profile if you read it. And I have had a male kill a female in a 5-foot tank because he did not accept her.

A single Bolivian would be fine, but this might be trouble with the gourami. Gourami and cichlids should not be mixed as they are very similar in behaviours.

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Old 12-11-2012, 01:24 PM   #19
 
okay thanks byron, can you take a look at my 135 gallon thread too.
I think i will stick to getting 1 bolivian . seeing how it does.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:50 PM   #20
 
There really isn't anything "large" that can go in a 33g tank. But then again, your idea of large may be quite different from mine. When I think large, I think Green Terrors, Jack Dempseys, and Oscars. What kind of colorful fish are you thinking and what if your definition of "large?"
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