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29 gallon tank still not cycling after 5 days

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29 gallon tank still not cycling after 5 days
Old 01-02-2010, 10:41 PM   #31
 
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nope. pure ammonia, with decorations and a bubbler. I keep the lights on most of the time, but I'm having a little algae grow in my tank. If I treat the algae, I have to remove my filter cartridge, but if I do that, I lose a little bit of my bacteria. But there's still some on the filter plates, which are meant to hold the bacteria.
I'd use a regular light schedule not only to treat the algae problem (they'll thrive with excessive light) and also so your plants acclimate to a regular and more natural schedule. I'm sure the benefits of this would be better outlined by more knowledgeable folks on here, but I've had it explained to me when I wanted to leave lights on overnight because my plants love it, but they just appear to love it. It's like giving them crack.

Algae will use what the plants don't, nutrients and lighting. May be a good idea especially if you have a timer for your lights, to do 5 hours on, a few hours off, and 5 hours on, then nighttime. This inhibits the algae's photosynthetic process.

The algae...is it brown? could be from the excessive ammonia. The plants will also help by using the ammonia.

And it's not really my business but I feel so relieved that you finally got an ammonia reading. That was really odd that it was testing at zero after adding all that ammonia!

I bet you get a nitrite reading in the next couple of days. If not, just buy some live bacteria. Or seed from your 10 gallon tank (that's what I did and I got a nitrite reading within one day)/
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:57 AM   #32
 
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nope. pure ammonia, with decorations and a bubbler. I keep the lights on most of the time, but I'm having a little algae grow in my tank. If I treat the algae, I have to remove my filter cartridge, but if I do that, I lose a little bit of my bacteria. But there's still some on the filter plates, which are meant to hold the bacteria.
Algae is extremely common in new tanks, specially when you have high Ammonia and/ or Nitrates.
I'd not treat it with no chems, that's silly really. Do you have any live plants in this very tank right now?
If you like, I can gladly walk through the algae mater with you, I just successfully battled 5 different algae kinds outta my 55g recently, if you like to, just describe what the algae looks like please?
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:57 AM   #33
 
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The lights should never be on full time. Use a timer and have a schedule. Plants will eventually burn out (die) from constant light, and it does not help the bacteria that need oxygen to grow not light (how else would they live inside a dark filter?).

New tanks take time to establish a biological equilibrium; doing strange things with lights, chemicals, etc. is only prolonging the issue because it prevents the equilibrium from establishing. And algae is common in such situations and should be left alone to work through; all this fussing worsens it.

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Old 01-03-2010, 03:56 PM   #34
 
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I don't have any real plants, just artificial ones. And the algae is green. I have some Stress-Zyme (live bacteria) and have seeded my new tank from my 10 gallon. Will water that hasn't had water conditioner in it kill bacteria? Because I seeded my new tank with gravel before adding water, so it was still wet, but I think I might have killed off the bacteria on the gravel. There's still some in my 10 gallon tank that I could use for seeding. My ammonia is still really high, and no nitrites at all are showing up on the tests. But I do have some nitrate. I have algae in both of my tanks, but I'm treating the 10 gallon tank right now and the algae is dying off.
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:04 PM   #35
 
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Green like...Hair? Like fuzz? Like lil green spots on glass/ plants? Like slime?
Always always always use water conditioner and yes chlorine on bacteria can kill them, if not to say will kill them.

What are you doing on the other 10g to "treat" against algae there?

Specially in new set ups I'd strongly recommend staying away from chem usage.
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:32 PM   #36
 
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I agree with Angel on avoiding any chemical to deal with algae (or snails, or ... anything else). It is more important long-term to establish a balance so these things are not problematical, not masking the problem as the algae will likely come back when fish are added (they effect the biological equilibrium) and away you go again. Since you don't have live plants, you have no competition for the algae, but in this case you can turn off the tank light without worry to combat the algae. B.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:32 PM   #37
 
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In the 10 gallon I'm using Ammonia Destroyer, for tanks with live plants, because I thought I would have plants until my pleco ate the sprouts. I'm not doing anything but having a normal light schedule in my 29 gallon. I used water conditioner as soon as I had filled my tank up to the top on the first day. I used some more substrate from my 10 gallon to seed my new tank further. The algae is in little hair-like clumps and is very short. It's the same kind in both tanks. It's on my thin-leaved artificial plants, so how should I get it out? I think there's a little in my 10 gallon's filter too. I'm really low on water conditioner. I got a coupon with my new tank and I was going to get some today, but my LFS closed at 6:00 instead of 9:00 like it does on weekdays. I'm going to get some tomorrow so I can change water freely.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:41 PM   #38
 
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Sounds like thread or Fuzz algae to me, which is EXTREMELY common in new set ups. Reason for that it develops when there's low CO2 (in your case, no fish, no CO2) and lil or no nutrient levels and / or ammonia spikes. Which judging from all I read so far, this is all the case in your tanks.

So if this was my tank, this is how I'd battle it: Heavly plant the tanks. Get a comprehensive fertilizer and dose per directions (usually 1x week) and once tanks are cycled add appropriate fish stock.
These measurement in combo with letting your tanks cycle and establish will outgrow / eliminate that algae quick.

I donno what this Ammonia Destroyer really is, never heard of it, never used it. But I just really wanna urge you, specially in new set ups, using any chem's but a conditioner and plant fertilizer can be very dangerous and hinter your tank a lot to properly establish a balanced bio system. Any cases I followed so far, chems used caused more harm then good and the only way it ever actually became better was when people stoped tempering with the water.

Edit on the lights: Easiest to do is get 2 timers at your homestore, they're less then $5 there, hook up the tanks to 10-11hrs daily setting and done. Also excess lights can support algae growth.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:54 PM   #39
 
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I haven't had anyone PM me about my pleco that I'm trying to give away, and I'm afraid he'll eat my plants if I plant my new tank. I'm selling a few things on ebay so I can get money for driftwood (I finally found some at my LFS - yay!) and get some java moss or something to plant on that.

Oh, by the way - I haven't used anything but water conditioner, Stress-Zyme, and ammonia in my new tank, so no chems in there (except ammonia)

And I have a question about seeding my tank further. I have blue gravel in my 10 gallon, but natural gravel in my 29 gallon. I would rather not mix the different colors, so I put some smooth river stones from my 10 gallon into my 29 gallon. But I think the bacteria got killed when I put water in before adding water conditoner. So could I put some gravel in my 10 gal.'s filter? It's an external hanging filter. Or should I use the filter from my 29 gallon in my 10 gallon? I thought I had heard about people doing that... But my filter on my 29 gallon is too big for the hole in my 10 gallon's cover. What should I do about that?

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Old 01-03-2010, 10:06 PM   #40
 
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I seen it..Had you posted it BEFORE I got mine i'd have taken him in asap ...sorry....
But now won't eat your plants, I can gladly post you pic's tomorrow of the updated 45 &55g...I think the jungle coming out of my 45g by now speaks for itself on the pleco matter lol

Heck just be careful with the java moss...look what it did to me it was as wide & tall as 10g and about 12" deep....so what about 1 sq ft maybe more...it was a giganto ball I can tell ya that

Thumbs up on the chems matter (i misunderstood then sorry for that).

Actual beneficial bacteria is in your gravel yes, but the most colony's of BB you will find in your filter. So if you can take the filter pad out of your established tank and just 'wash it' into the new tank (then put the pad back where it came from the old filter) that'd be perfect right there, then you really don't need no more nothing else to cycle or seed the tank.
I seeded all my new set ups this way, all I sued was water conditioner and 'filter muck as I 'professionally' call it checked my water parameters for few days and stocked fish, never had a single one dead on my this way.
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