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post #11 of 84 Old 01-01-2010, 03:17 PM
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Byron I know you mentioned this in another thread about planted tanks and their ability to handle the ammonia from day one. I have a question about this...I just set up a new 10 gallon which I've been cycling with fish food, and seeding from my other tank, for about four or five days now. I set it up and planted 1 anubias, 4 kyoto grass (very small), a few small valisneria from my old tank, and three or four small swords. I wouldn't consider it "heavily planted" yet How many plants do you think I would need to support the ammonia/nitrite load during the cycling. My ammonia has gone from .5ppm (tap water level) to 1ppm since yesterday. My plants in my 29 gallon definitely do the job of keeping the nitrate down, never has gone above 5ish.

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Stephanie, the Vallisneria are fairly quick growers, and fast growing plants use the ammonia/ammonium faster, so that helps. Anubias is the opposite, and in my experience works slower in new tanks. The grass I'm not familiar with. In a 10g you are probably fine, but I would only add a couple of smallish fish to start and monitor ammonia. If it goes as it should, ammonia will be zero [or no higher than the tap water level] from day one, and there is no need to test for nitrite because it won't be there at measurable levels if the ammonia is being used. There will be some nitrifying bacteria established, but fewer in number than would occur or be needed without live plants.

As you have ammonia in there from the food, the plants should be happy and establish quickly. A good water conditioner that neutralizes ammonia will work fine at pwc, as most of these detoxify ammonia by converting it to ammonium, which is exactly what the plants want so it saves the plants having to convert it across the cells.

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post #12 of 84 Old 01-01-2010, 03:29 PM
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@ Steph, the kyoto grass you're referring to thrives best in harder water (not soft like I have here). I had it in one of my previous 20g set up and its a VERY slow growing plant, def slower then any Anubias I ever had.

I had best success in adding fast growers to new set ups, anything you like really, just in your case (like my new set up) its helpful to chose something that's gonna stay relatively small, being a 10g. Dep on what exactly you wanna stock in there, Pennywort also make a great floater plant and its fast growing.

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post #13 of 84 Old 01-01-2010, 09:22 PM
I love Pennywort, I'll look for some of that. I've never had it before. I just added some Java Fern hoping the bigger leaves will absorb more nutrients.

The kyoto grass was from the Petsmart brand live plants. They sell them in these gel packs and out of the four I purchased, two were actually not good aquatic plants (I, as usual, researched AFTER I already bought them) so I returned them and got an amazon sword. We'll see if the Petsmart plants survive. But I think I'm done buying from them for now. I'll try online since my LFS is dry in the plant arena lately.

And about the vallisneria, I'll add more so the ammonia goes bye-bye more rapidly.

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post #14 of 84 Old 01-01-2010, 09:29 PM
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Heck at the rate mine is going (again I should have known better) give it few more weeks and i'll mail some your way to get rid of it lol.
I never tried plants from them, look at the once and left lol, I been using sweetaquatics to stock all new tanks with plants now.

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post #15 of 84 Old 01-01-2010, 09:37 PM
the more i read and learn about this stuff, the more i think you or byron should teach a class about aquarium plants. wouldn't it be cool if they set up webinars that our members could "teach"?

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post #16 of 84 Old 01-01-2010, 10:55 PM Thread Starter
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I already have the pleco... I've had it for about half a year. That was my first impulse buy. And I have regretted it. I could have a nice planted tank, but that pleco eats everything. He hides during the day and comes out at night, but will dart back to his little hiding spot in the back if anyone comes up to the aquarium. The only good thing about him is that I never have to clean the aquarium walls for algae! It's a common pleco, so it will get pretty big. I've tried to sell it, but there's a really low quality pet store in my town where they trade them for other fish. It's a bad place, but they have a lot of exotic species that you can only find there, unless you want to buy them online. Anyway, all my potential buyers say they can just trade in one of their unwanted fish for one. I'm close to just giving mine away and getting an albino bristlenose pleco, which will not get as big.
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post #17 of 84 Old 01-01-2010, 11:37 PM
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Even with a pleco, there's plenty of plants you can have that the pleco will not harm

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post #18 of 84 Old 01-02-2010, 01:06 AM
i would just give him away...at this point it's about his quality of life and making sure he's in a tank that will accommodate his size. I don't know if this applies to pleco's but too small of tank size can actually impact some fishes' internal structures.

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post #19 of 84 Old 01-02-2010, 01:22 AM Thread Starter
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That sounds like a good idea... I'll give it a try.
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post #20 of 84 Old 01-02-2010, 01:27 AM Thread Starter
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Back to the main topic this thread was started on... I'm getting nitrate readings, but never any nitrite. I don't know what's happening to the ammonia. Wouldn't 10 teaspoons of ammonia, when converted into nitrate, be a huge amount? I'm just getting traces. I don't think my aquarium is cycling right... What's happening?
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