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post #111 of 150 Old 07-17-2012, 05:28 PM Thread Starter
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I hope you're right about the MLS. They werent the most interesting thing to watch, but they were part of the ecosystem Were/are, you know what I mean.

When I upgraded to medium light, the red root floater grew very red. I definitely think it's nutrients, since it stopped being red after I added a bunch of fast growers. I already dose Comprehensive twice weekly, so I guess I'm going to have to live with them not being red.
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post #112 of 150 Old 07-17-2012, 07:17 PM Thread Starter
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I had a stocking list many pages ago on here. I've had months to research other fish and in some cases foods so I'd like some thoughts on it again, if no one minds. I've seen all these for sale and they should work well with my water.

Shoaling fish:
Boraras-last week I saw every species but B. micros for sale. B, urophthalmoides seems to not be on sale this week. Regardless my first choice would be B. brigittae with B. naevus being my second choice.
Sundadanio-whatever species the blue ones in the trade actually are.
Microdevario kubotai-This would be my third overall choice in a shoaling fish if I picked that many.

My earlier stocking list had five shoaling species, but that was without the possibilities of some of the following. I have a long enough list for other fish in this catergory that I wish I had room for a bigger tank. I think that's always the case though. :) Others include Trigonostigma hengeli, Oryzias mekongensis, Danio choprae, etc.

Centerpiece fish. These are dependant upon me doing live foods.:
Dario Dario
Dario Hysginon
Parasphaericthys ocellatus
I think any of those would work. Doubtful I could have more than one species. D. dario would be my first choice. If I can't find females though and could of D. Hysginon then the choice would be different.
I've seen four species of Parosphronemus for sale, but have neither caves (or room to add them) or tannin stained water. That means those are out sadly.

Loaches:
Yunnanilus sp 'Rosy'- Still my top choice for here although I don't know if I have enough hardness for them.
Yunnanilus cruciatus
Pangio oblonga, Pangio anguillaris, Pangio semicincta
No order for the Pangio species since I like them, but don't know if I have floorspace for multiple loach species and am unsure how they would affect my bioload. They are thin, but still much bigger than anything else planned.
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post #113 of 150 Old 07-18-2012, 02:14 PM Thread Starter
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Byron- You were right of course. I saw an MLS last night, one of the bigger ones.

I yanked out handfuls of red root floater today. Since I only turn on/off the lights I didn't really notice how thick it had grown in just a few weeks. To put it another way I might have removed half of it, which in turn covered nearly a third of th surface of my forty gallon breeder. My blackwater tank suddenly has lots of plants at the surface. I wonder if I should transfer some snails to. Anyway I think I'd better make it a point to trim at least that plant on a weekly basis.

The angustifolia lost some leaves because of thelack of light it received. I hadn't even noticed the browning of them, with that area being so dark. It might be time to try my hand at actually trimming it and replanting the stems. I havent done any trimming really besides hacking at wisteria and the red root floater, neither of which I was concerned about screwing up. I might also try to find some more angustifolia for a more rapid bush/more hiding places. Hiding places were always the goal with all the plants I added, no idea if I over did it, but I like it. lol Let's see how I feel when I can't see the fish, although there is still plenty of swimming area.

Would 10 each Boraras, Sundadanio, and Yunnanilus with 6 Pangio loaches be ok? Fully stocked? Overstocked? I suck so bad at guessing stocking limits.
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post #114 of 150 Old 07-27-2012, 11:57 AM Thread Starter
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Update time. I've taken to keeping all the floaters in the front half of the tank and along the sides, not allowing them directly under the light. Seems to be working out great. I still have some shading while the rest of the plants get light. Some of my stems have reached the surface!

I put my first fish in the tank today as well. I believe 9 Yunnanilus cruciatus and 12 Boraras brigittae. The I believe part is due to several counts without fishy cooperation. I know there were extras thrown in. One of the dominant chili rasboras was bright red in the bag even after a day of shipping. Some of the others are already coloring up more. All of them are so amazingly tiny that I probably could have ordered even more. The rasboras are happily exploring the tank, while the loaches are in a group swimming in the filter current. Not a shy fish to be found, even when I approach the tank. I'm super happy with how this tank is coming out. I'm never doing an unplanted tank again!
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post #115 of 150 Old 07-31-2012, 03:38 PM Thread Starter
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The fish are all doing well, swimming at all levels. It's only been 4 days, but the tank conditions are still great. Given the two months I spent fishless cycling another tank this makes me unbelievably happy. Both species seem to really enjoy playing in the filter current.

Not sure if it's just that the plants have become established or because of the fish and feedings (I'd guess the latter), but my plant growth in most cases has gone up noticeably. The Hygro 'bold' stems have rocketed up and there are many of them. My expensive Hygrophila lancelota has grown four new leaves on each stem in the last four days. The Siamensis is finally showing growth with new leaves. The Lindernia 'India' is growing well and also branching. The Hygrophila pinnatifida I believe is growing, albeit slowly. No new runners with that one, but I think it might be getting taller. Could be my imagination though. The Hygrophila corymbosa 'compacta' is the only plant not growing at all of what I have left (the hygro 'tiger' died under all the shading). I'm being patient though because I have no clue how long it takes to get submersed growth from a plant originally grown emersed.

Still not quite sure what other fish I will add. I've narrowed my centerpiece into two choices: scarlet badis or pygmy sunfish (either Elassoma gilberti or E. evergladei depending on which I can find). Info on the scarlet badis is here, but for anyone that doesn't know about pygmy sunfish here's one of my favorite Youtube videos.
The pygmies aren't Asian, but would still work with my water parameters. No idea if I'd have to chose one or the other. If I got the pygmy sunfish though I would want them breeding since they only live for a year or so. Really cute fish though, both of them.
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post #116 of 150 Old 08-01-2012, 09:51 AM
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I know nothing about Elassoma gilberti aside from this brief account from Robert Paul Hudson
Aqua Botanic's Aqua Bloggin Elassoma gilberti
but as they seem to be substrate-huggers I would wonder about compatibility with the loach. The sunfish might be very frightened by these considerably larger fish. A real beauty though. Many years ago I had a group of the more common and slightly larger sunfish from Florida, forgotten the name now, this was back in the early 1980's.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #117 of 150 Old 08-01-2012, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you I had seen that link before. I have a couple of books on keeping fish native to the US in captivity. There's also a website (I don't know if I can post the name since it has a discussion forum. I don't want to post it and break the rules here) that is solely for captive care of North American fish. I've been reading up and talking to owners and am still on the fence. Oddly North American fish are from my understanding more popular as aquarium fish in parts of Europe than in the US or Canada.
Just out of curiosity, how big are your Yunnanilus cruciatus Byron? Fishbase lists them as 34 mm, about the same as you have here. Elassoms gilberti is listed there as 25 mm, while E. evergladei and E. okefenokee are both listed as 34 mm.
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post #118 of 150 Old 08-01-2012, 04:01 PM
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Thank you I had seen that link before. I have a couple of books on keeping fish native to the US in captivity. There's also a website (I don't know if I can post the name since it has a discussion forum. I don't want to post it and break the rules here) that is solely for captive care of North American fish. I've been reading up and talking to owners and am still on the fence. Oddly North American fish are from my understanding more popular as aquarium fish in parts of Europe than in the US or Canada.
Just out of curiosity, how big are your Yunnanilus cruciatus Byron? Fishbase lists them as 34 mm, about the same as you have here. Elassoms gilberti is listed there as 25 mm, while E. evergladei and E. okefenokee are both listed as 34 mm.
My five are a bit larger I think. I would say 1.5 or 1.6 inches. I've had them 2-3 years now. They have spawned, or at least gone through the motions, but no sign of eggs or fry which would likely get eaten pretty quick with these plus five dwarf loach and the pencilfish.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #119 of 150 Old 08-01-2012, 04:08 PM Thread Starter
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So big enough that I'd find it nearly impossible to raise Elassoma fry in the same tank. They apparently breed like crazy (the lady who shot that video went from 5 to over 85 in a year/year and a half before she started selling them). I'd want them to breed, just not to that amount. I think I was looking for an excuse to add them lol.
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post #120 of 150 Old 08-02-2012, 03:54 PM Thread Starter
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Oh yeah I was completely wrong about my Hygrophila pinnatifida. I found a nice size runner amongst the corymbosa where it is shaded. Leaves in areas that shouldn't be shaded are growing pale and falling off. I know that plant was going to be tricky.
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