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post #21 of 29 Old 07-20-2012, 03:27 AM Thread Starter
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So, I followed through. I got the before mentioned substrate. It is like granulated porting soil. It got cloudy while I was refilling the tank, but the majority was due to poor technique on my part. I tilted the bucket too much and the force of the water flipped the plate I had laid on the bottom. Needless to say, it churned things up. Good thing I have a good filter. I put in an extra piece of filter floss where the chemical filtration used to be. I got 2 Anubis, some crypts, some stem plants and some of those green carpet like plant. I know the last needs a lot of light , but I can get extra lights .

After the cloudiness has dispersed, I tested the water, got 0 ammonia, and nitrite, so I put the guppies back in by first mixing new water with theirs slowly over 30min. They seem OK in there. Poking around the plants looking for food: )
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post #22 of 29 Old 07-21-2012, 10:28 PM Thread Starter
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I wanted to show you guys my finished tank. I use the large piece of driftwood as a diffuser for my filter. Otherwise it was kicking up more junk than filtering.

The two guppies are still alive and doing well. I also got 6 green neon tetras, but they are all in hiding. I am monitoring the water conditions daily and so far so good. No detectable ammonia, and nitrites. Nitrates are at ~ 20ppm pH 7.5, general hardness 130ppm, alcalinity/buffering capacity really low ~ 40ppm



The only thing that worries me is that some of the stem plants have what looks like a thin black film over the leaves and stems...

And I still have to find a good lighting solution. I am overdoing the light right now.
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Looking good there. I would just pivot that small piece of wood on the right a bit, leave the back end where it is and move the front clockwise so it is aways from the front a bit, maybe 3 inches. I think this will expand the space.

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post #24 of 29 Old 07-24-2012, 12:57 AM Thread Starter
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I took your advice and moved the small piece of driftwood and it did open the space up a bit.

Also, finally today I picked up a new lighting fixture and bulbs. I ended up going with the Aqueon 24inch double t5 fixture and two of the aqueon 6700k bulbs as well as a timer for it.

Unfortunately, some of theplants, especially the grass aren't doing well. The is some yellow, and brown on the leaves. I'm hoping the new light as well as a regular day night cycle will remedy this issue.

Also, I am experiencing detectable levels of both ammonia and nitrites. Probably the delayed effects of the addition of the 6 green neon tetras. To combat this, I didn't feed them yesterday, did a small water change yesterday, and a 30% one today with a double dose of prime. Then I added a bottle of colony (nitrosomonas and nitrobacter). I will see how it is tomorrow and add more colony and prime if I can still detect ammonia.

Also, I have very small particles constantly suspended in the water. I am contemplating placing puragen in my filter. Any opinions on this?
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Also, finally today I picked up a new lighting fixture and bulbs. I ended up going with the Aqueon 24inch double t5 fixture and two of the aqueon 6700k bulbs as well as a timer for it.
Does this have NO (normal output) tubes? HO (high output) will be too much light.

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Unfortunately, some of theplants, especially the grass aren't doing well. The is some yellow, and brown on the leaves. I'm hoping the new light as well as a regular day night cycle will remedy this issue.
Are you dosing any fertilzers, and if yes, which?

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Also, I have very small particles constantly suspended in the water. I am contemplating placing puragen in my filter. Any opinions on this?
I wouldn't use chemical filtration media in a planted tank. The cloudiness common in new tanks will clear on its own, and naturally, which is best for the bacteria establishing themselves.

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I am not currently dosing any fertilizers.

The light does not say ho anywhere so I assume, the bulbs are normal input.

Also, the light came with one 6700k bulb and one "Colormax" bulb which is visibly red-er.

Should I use this combo as it is advertised as "Great for growing plants" on the box, or continue with the 2 6700k plant growing bulbs as I have them right now?

All fish are still alive and well so far. I fed them a little right after adding colony yesterday and they were ravenous. The tetras are getting braver and spending more time moving around the tank. They even did a few passes length to length in formation. I LOVE these little guys!
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I am not currently dosing any fertilizers.

The light does not say ho anywhere so I assume, the bulbs are normal input.

Also, the light came with one 6700k bulb and one "Colormax" bulb which is visibly red-er.

Should I use this combo as it is advertised as "Great for growing plants" on the box, or continue with the 2 6700k plant growing bulbs as I have them right now?

All fish are still alive and well so far. I fed them a little right after adding colony yesterday and they were ravenous. The tetras are getting braver and spending more time moving around the tank. They even did a few passes length to length in formation. I LOVE these little guys!
The combo of tubes is up to you. The plants will probably be fine under either the mix or just 6700K. So the appearance that you have to look at is yours to call.

You will need fertilizer, a basic liquid like Flourish Comprehensive Supplement by Seachem or FlorinMulti by Brightwell Aquatics. This will be for the non-substrate plants obviously, but also provide the balance for the substrate plants. This should deal with the yellowing leaves.

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post #28 of 29 Old 07-24-2012, 07:36 PM Thread Starter
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OK, thank you yet again Byron: ). I will pick up some flourish: )

I am being drawn to the dark side... amazon showed me a full co2 combo (paint ball tank, adaptor, regulator with solenoid, bubble counter, and diffuser for $115... must resist!!!
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post #29 of 29 Old 08-04-2012, 11:35 PM Thread Starter
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I wanted to update this thread:

For the last week I have had a steady 2ppm nitrites, but no ammonia, and constant nitrate. I have been adding bacteria every day, and the nitrite finally went down to just barely registering and has stayed there for 1 day, with feeding.

I also bought a ridiculous filter: Fluval G3. I run it at 30% flow rate and the charcoal replaced with filter floss. I love it. Quiet, powerful, and the water is 100% transparent.
All the fish are amazingly still alive and very well. They are ravenous every feeding time and active. I haven't seen any gasping or staying at the top. The tetras hide in the stem plants when you first approach, but in a minute or two they start wandering around, exploring, picking at things and occasionally doing some synchronized swimming back and forth.

I'm going to wait another week, overfeed the fish a couple of times to see how the ammonia and nitrites fluctuate, and then maybe add 3 more green neon tetras.
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