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post #11 of 75 Old 10-18-2011, 12:37 PM Thread Starter
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With sufficient plants, there will be no "cycle" to speak of. Bacteria will still establish, but minimally due to the plants grabbing much of the ammonia. So there is no cycling problems for the fish. Fish must be minimal though, I can suggest possible ones when I know what fish you are planning. Also, the tank must be fairly well planted. A floating plant is especially useful as floaters are always fast growing.

The idea is that plants grab much of the ammonia, and they assimilate it as a nutrient (nitrogen). Nitrite is not a by-product of this, so there is no cycle. However, some nitrosomonas bacteria will colonize surfaces, but with enough plants they will be very few, and the secondary nitrite will be so low as to be undetectable with a test kit.

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Hmm good to know! I did order a few plants but none of them are floating plants. The plants I ordered I posted above. As far as fish I was planning on some peppered/Juli corys and maybe a few glow lights nothing is set in stone yet though I'm open for suggestions as it is only a 10 gallon
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Hmm good to know! I did order a few plants but none of them are floating plants. The plants I ordered I posted above. As far as fish I was planning on some peppered/Juli corys and maybe a few glow lights nothing is set in stone yet though I'm open for suggestions as it is only a 10 gallon
Java Fern is slow growing, but it will look nice attached to the Malaysian driftwood. This is a nice bogwood in a tank, by the way; I have lots of it.

Does your local fish store, or one of them, have any plants?

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Java Fern is slow growing, but it will look nice attached to the Malaysian driftwood. This is a nice bogwood in a tank, by the way; I have lots of it.

Does your local fish store, or one of them, have any plants?
I have a java fern left over from the previous setup but I was advised not to use it. My lfs has some plants but a very very small selection which led me to get plants from a store on ebay. I also ordered a pieced of Malaysia driftwood today. Would you sell any of it? Lol
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I have a java fern left over from the previous setup but I was advised not to use it. My lfs has some plants but a very very small selection which led me to get plants from a store on ebay. I also ordered a pieced of Malaysia driftwood today. Would you sell any of it? Lol
My fault, I missed the plants in the original post. They will be fine. Plant them, make sure the heater/filter are running. Of the fish mentioned, glowlights would be best first.

Keep an eye out for floating plants, they are quite useful. Even some stem plants just floating work well.

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Keep an eye out for floating plants, they are quite useful. Even some stem plants just floating work well.
a lot of people on this forum sell floating plants. i bought some water sprite from a person on here a while back and it is doing great.

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Awesome best info so far thanks Byron! I just received my floramax bulb and substrate I have the substrate soaking in a bucket right now and I put the bulb in. It actually looks a bit dimmer than the original light I had in there. Is that how it's supposed to be? I plan on putting in about 2-3 inches of the floramax and a 1 inch layer of the play sand on top. Once I get my plants and driftwood ill be on business! Now another question I got some dwarf hair grass coming now will that spread out with good setting/parameters?
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Awesome best info so far thanks Byron! I just received my floramax bulb and substrate I have the substrate soaking in a bucket right now and I put the bulb in. It actually looks a bit dimmer than the original light I had in there. Is that how it's supposed to be? I plan on putting in about 2-3 inches of the floramax and a 1 inch layer of the play sand on top. Once I get my plants and driftwood ill be on business! Now another question I got some dwarf hair grass coming now will that spread out with good setting/parameters?
Don't know what the substrate you have is, but be careful not to have too much depth. Two inches of the substrate with about half an inch of sand will be sufficient. And as they will mix if they are disturbed, lay the substrate first, add ythe woiod and plant the plants, then when everything is where you want it, sprinkle the sand on top. Planting through both will certainly mix them.

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Don't know what the substrate you have is, but be careful not to have too much depth. Two inches of the substrate with about half an inch of sand will be sufficient. And as they will mix if they are disturbed, lay the substrate first, add ythe woiod and plant the plants, then when everything is where you want it, sprinkle the sand on top. Planting through both will certainly mix them.
Good to know! I was wondering about mixing the sand or just layering it I was going to put all the substrate in then plant everything but ill take your advice lol i am a newbie! The substrate I'm using is called floramax its like an equivalent to eco-complete
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Good to know! I was wondering about mixing the sand or just layering it I was going to put all the substrate in then plant everything but ill take your advice lol i am a newbie! The substrate I'm using is called floramax its like an equivalent to eco-complete
Just have to ask LoL but why are going to cover the flormax with sand? I had eco-complete(which i still found i needed to use root tablets) and from my understanding Flormax is suppose to be better.
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Good to know! I was wondering about mixing the sand or just layering it I was going to put all the substrate in then plant everything but ill take your advice lol i am a newbie! The substrate I'm using is called floramax its like an equivalent to eco-complete
I am not familiar with Floramax but I am with Eco-Complete and the similar Flourite. If you combine sand with either of these, the sand would work its way down and leave the larger grains on top.

You can use just the Floramax on its own, presumably. Or plant the tank as I mentioned and then sprinkle the sand. It still will mix down over time, and with substrate fish even faster.

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