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post #1 of 75 Old 10-16-2011, 05:17 PM Thread Starter
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10 gallon starting over build

Well since my tank got either a case of ich or NTD. So I took everything out and let it soak in a bleach/water solution including the heater, filter and all the parts. Then i also put a bleach/water solution in the tank and let it soak till the next day. I had 2 kyoto plants, a crested java fern, some moneywort, and a java fern. I dipped each of them in the water/bleach solution and rinsed them all off but Im still kind of iffy on weather or not I should or can put them back in the tank.

Here is what the tank had looked like:


I have already ordered:
1 - Bag floramax midnight
1 - T8 aqueon floramax bulb
3 - Dwarf subulata
3 - Corkscrew vallisenaria
1 - Rosette sword
and some dwarf hairgrass. All of which should be here Tuesday!

As of right now i have the tank empty with water in it the filter running along with the heater. I've added some microbe-lift and here's what my parameters look like so far.

Ammonia: 2.0ppm
PH: 7.5
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0

Something doesn't seem right with the cycling. It has been running for 3 days thought I might see something already but im probably wrong lol. I also tested the water in the tank for chlorine which showed up as 0. Which is awesome!

Here is the tank now!


Any suggestions would be awesome!
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post #2 of 75 Old 10-16-2011, 07:17 PM
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I would say scrap the plants you had before.
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post #3 of 75 Old 10-16-2011, 08:06 PM
What is your ammonia source ....and even with a constant source of ammonia, it takes some time to establish the bacteria colony(ies) necessary to properly manage Ammonia to Nitrites and Nitrites to Nitrates of the ensuing bio-load to become an established system.

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post #4 of 75 Old 10-16-2011, 09:09 PM Thread Starter
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I'm not using anything as an ammonia source. I was going to do the pure ammonia method just waiting for more funds
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post #5 of 75 Old 10-17-2011, 10:12 AM
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Hi! If I could, I have some unrelated (to the cycle, at least) thoughts...

I would trash the kyoto grass. My understanding is that it is not a plant that can be grown fully submerged, and will just die in a few months. So you might want to look that up and then toss it in the trash.

Also, is the rhizome buried on the Java fern? I believe that they must have the rhizome attached to a rock or wood with fishing line above the substrate. If the rhizome is buried, I think it will rot and die.

I hope that helps, and I hope things go smoothly for you from here on out!

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post #6 of 75 Old 10-17-2011, 12:51 PM Thread Starter
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That was in the old tank I tossed all of the old plants today lol
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post #7 of 75 Old 10-17-2011, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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Any suggestions on how I should set up layout for the plants? I'm going to try and get some Malaysian driftwood
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post #8 of 75 Old 10-18-2011, 12:52 PM
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If you intend to have live plants, my suggestion would be to plant the tank on day one and add a couple fish. With sufficient live plants, if some are fast growing, they will handle the ammonia. Messing with ammonia when you have plants is only adding problems. I can explain further if you ask.

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post #9 of 75 Old 10-18-2011, 01:06 PM Thread Starter
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I'm just waiting on plants now and I'm putting in the floramax today and covering it with a layer of play sand which had been rinsed already. I know that the plants take in the ammonia but I'm kind of puzzled about the cycling with plants
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I'm just waiting on plants now and I'm putting in the floramax today and covering it with a layer of play sand which had been rinsed already. I know that the plants take in the ammonia but I'm kind of puzzled about the cycling with plants

With sufficient plants, there will be no "cycle" to speak of. Bacteria will still establish, but minimally due to the plants grabbing much of the ammonia. So there is no cycling problems for the fish. Fish must be minimal though, I can suggest possible ones when I know what fish you are planning. Also, the tank must be fairly well planted. A floating plant is especially useful as floaters are always fast growing.

The idea is that plants grab much of the ammonia, and they assimilate it as a nutrient (nitrogen). Nitrite is not a by-product of this, so there is no cycle. However, some nitrosomonas bacteria will colonize surfaces, but with enough plants they will be very few, and the secondary nitrite will be so low as to be undetectable with a test kit.

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