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1 Month in and already fed up with ph and algea probs
Old 12-01-2009, 06:45 PM   #21
Not sure if anyone comented on this or nt but some products used for PH adjustment can lead to alge problems too.
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:02 PM   #22
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You have a liquid test kit right? Just test your pH, do 1 cup R/O water mixed into your tank and test it. If it barley shows or not at all, you can use more at one time. If it spikes too high use less at one time.

I pers never done the R/O -Tap mixture, I only used peat, which worked great for me, but I also didn't have quite the sky rocking pH like you have.

And neither one of these versions will cause algae issues. Chemicals might do this but not R/O or peat (which is why I pers believe to keep chem's outta your tank lol)

There's really NO telling how your water may become over time. I had 7 tanks set up at one time, all same source water and ALL had different pH & hardness, ALL of them, even the one's with the exact same gravel used....That's why the fish world is so complex and there's always at least a handful answers to one single question

You're on a very good track there, I think you'll do fine over time. Add some plants as/ when you can, let that run for a while to establish properly with you Axo in it and add fish few weeks down the Rd slowly (and that alone there will change your water readings AGAIN lol).

Would be neat to follow the process of your tank if you felt like keeping us posted! Also will help other newcomers later on to be able to learn from your progress steps
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:00 PM   #23
ok, kh and gh test kit bought, did both tests and the results are shockingly high, GH = 240 mg in the tank and KH = 170 mg in the tank. Tested the tap water alone and GH = 260mg and KH = 180mg...no wonder I'm having ph problems!!! Bought 4 ltrs of bottled water, put in a bit at a time, tested the water and basically had to put in the full 4 ltrs to even see a slight decrease in ph levels!!! At this rate I'll only need a drop of tap water per 1 ltr of bottled water to get a normal ph level.

PH is now down to 9 in the tank (it was 9.5). Peat moss is on its way apparently so this should help things a little.
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:09 PM   #24
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Are you sure these readings are mg/l not rather measured in "ppm". Hardness measured in mg/l is usually something like 1, 2, 3 maybe 7-8 ...
Assuming its measure in ppm with your kit that would then be a GH of 13 and KH of 9 which is still quite up there on the scale of hardness, however assuming this is right KHK 9 and pH9 that combo sounds reasonable.

I hate to say this now and I do say up front I strongly encourage you to try, but I don't even know how much peat will do for you (given the little amount you can add to your filter or hang in the tank) to really influence such hard water. Like you said with the R/O water, you actually need to then fill the tank with R/O and mix a LITTLE tap in it.

Good news thou if you look at it, your tank is going down! So the biological process does already soften it up some compared to your tap water and this over time may even get better (I mean not down to no hardness and little pH but some better).

I just really think in this tank, the elevated Nitrate, the level of hardness and mostly the tank being newly set up is the combo that makes you have this algae problem.

Now to fish & Axolotl matter:
Axototl is the first issue, since it already is there, now I pers never had one, but researching its needs, I found pH 6.5-7.5 and a GH 6-16degrees and Temp 60-68. So for its long term well being I'd either find a permanent water solution to soften it at least some or give him up to someone who has softer water. I'd at least want to try housing it in something rather at pH 8 and GH10, so somewhat lower then what you have.

Now your next issue will be fish that A) Aren't regarded as food by your Axo B) will have the same water needs and C) The same LOW temp needs and that part will be tricky cause most tropical fish will require a higher Temp then the Axo can max handle.
Alternatively and that would be my personal choice, leave this tank as a Axo tank souly and set up a secondary tank for fish such as Cichlid's (or any fish that will be happy with the tap water you have so you don't have this issue there).
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:05 PM   #25
Received my peat moss in a tea bag style netting, it's far bigger than I expected so no way I can fit that in the filter compartment, will probably end up weighing it down and placing it under the filter - would this work in the same way as placing it in the filter?

Also the readings were ppm I think, I had to put 17 drops of the kh liquid into the test tube before it changed colour, and 12 drops of the gh liquid before the colour changed.
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:07 PM   #26
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I'd hang it int he tank some way, close to the filter outlet.

I really don't know what else to say about your water then what I already suggested. Long run it would def bne MUCH easier & cheaper to go with fish that tolerate your water, rather then e.g. the Axo and try adjusting water for it.

Hey another idea thou, donno where you live, but do you have access to a rain barrel our country side pond for that matter? That could be tested and possibly used for the tank too. Or well water as well (maybe a kind neigbour that will let you get few gallons/ week)!?
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:07 PM   #27
I'm on the south East coast of the UK in the middle of town so no wells anywhere (as far as I know). Have had the peat moss in for a few days so will test the ph again to see how it is, although I have noticed the Axo seems much happier, he's been out and about the tank all day as opposed to hiding in a corner all day long...must be a good sign!
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:15 PM   #28
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Awesome to hear the Axo is doing better!!! Congratulations!
South east...how far from Essex? I used to go to school there when I was teen
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:53 PM   #29
Good news, peat moss has taken ph level down to 8.5 (still not great but workable). Am thinking of getting a Britta water filter jug which I can use to filter the tap water further instead of buying bottled water, if I continue to use this filtered water from the jug for water changes each week the ph should slowly settle further and it won't cost a penny (other than buying the jug in the first place but it has other uses around the home so I can live with that).

I'm a fair few miles away from Essex, literally on the coast - Brighton
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:40 PM   #30
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Hey actually....Do you have a water filter on your fridge for drinking water? That way you'd not have to buy one!? And if you just use a old but washed out 1g Milk you can use it for your w/c I'd just still use conditioner with it to be sure.
Oh awesome area! I was there one weekend but that was sooo many yrs ago I hardly remember much there any more, but it was a cool & neat place on the water front
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