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Old 04-22-2009, 02:54 PM   #11
 
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Thanks! I'm still not sure if I have a pair. The coloration I described has stayed, but the relationship has improved. Before, the newer, bigger, possible-male fish would chase the smaller probable female back to her cave whenever the two crossed paths. Now, however, the two will swim near one another without incident. I haven't seen any of the mating behavior you describe, but perhaps later on.

I'm still trying to train them to eat prepared foods, but have been mostly unsuccessful. They sure do love frozen and live foods (I've actually been feeding them very young kribensis fry) and perk up when I put prepared foods in the tank for the other fish, but they'll spit it out if they actually eat any. They're really enthusiastic eaters (completely contradictory to the descriptions I read online) so they have no problem getting their fair share when I feed the tank with things like bloodworms, brine or tubifex. They also seem to really like smaller pond snails, which is nice because the other fish in the tank won't eat those at all.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:53 PM   #12
 
I have a male that I'd left in with the fry (heavily planted tank) and so far he's not even chased one of them. They've been together for going on 7 weeks. The fry are about the 1/2 the size of a neon tetra in length. I've tried to get more pics of them but he always gets between me and the fry! Cute guy. He will only eat live foods with enthusiasm, and frozen every so often.

I have 4 females in a seperate tank that I'm conditioning, hope to breed them again soon. Although wild stock, the females will eat most anything, including flake (but they'd rather have live). Perhaps because they were so young when I got them and they lived initially with other fish that ate flake food, they 'learned' to eat it too.

The 2nd generation can be fed sinking pellets without much trouble.

The first photo is of the young females I'm conditioning. The 2nd is of a male that was in that batch (sold to a local fish store). The 3rd is of one of my aquairums. The male I've bred is near the bottom and you can see several of his fry in there as well as an Oto or two.

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Old 05-27-2009, 08:16 PM   #13
 
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Gorgeous tanks! Stunning looking fish. I still haven't settled on what sexes mine are; the coloration is just too variable. They get along better now, but don't really seem to be doing any sort of breeding. I'm not really upset about it, as breeding fish that aren't really a hot commodity is something of a hassle. Although it would be nice to see my male color up as nicely as yours has. Mine stays that general rusty orange color with little dark blue/black spots, but doesn't have those vibrant blue fins.
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Old 05-28-2009, 04:59 PM   #14
 
Thanks for the complement on the tanks!

I got involved in fishkeeping kind of by accident. I love aquatic plants and fish were always a way of getting fertilizer to them more easily, hahaha! I used to think 'hmm...wonder if this fish will bother the plants...' But now it's 'what plants would make this fish happiest?' I try to get plants that are native to where the fish is from to make it more 'home' for them now.

If you can post pictures of your two, should be able to tell the gender by their shape. As for the varible color, that's why the call em Chameleon Fish hahaha!!

The four females I have get along great. I'll likely keep them together as a group after breeding. They even worked out living with microrasbora. Small mouths for their size I guess, so they don't bother the much smaller fish. Plus they have plenty of food since I'm trying to fatten them up a bit.

They color up the best when fed live foods. Do you feed them blackworms? Also, they seem to color up the best if kept over dark or black substrate.

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Old 05-28-2009, 09:57 PM   #15
 
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I have a natural colored gravel. Not very dark, but also not as bright as white sand or something. Mine eat mostly frozen foods including bloodworms, brine shrimp and chopped up krill but they also love live blackworms and even smallish pond snails. They also help keep my guppy population under control. Let me see if I can get some pictures of them.
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:15 PM   #16
 
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Sorry for the bad picture quality, but these guys really do not like to get photographed. They just retreat to their respective caves and it takes a lot of work enticing them out for a picture. Anyway, my guess is that the top one is a female and the bottom one is the male. The bottom fish is about 40% bigger than the top one.

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Old 05-29-2009, 01:00 AM   #17
 
The bottom one is definately a male. The top one looks like a female, but without seeing more of the back fins, its hard to know for sure. Does the female have the same one spot on the tail like the male does (likely more muted though)? I've had some with one distict spot and some with three (and more diffused) spots. The one with 3 spots is a differnt species and they don't interbreed, so that may be why they have not spawned if the female has the three instead of one.

If you have a pair and they haven't spawned, sometimes it helps to seperate them and condition them with live foods for a week, and then reintroduce them helps.

As for not having a market, the local fish stores don't know much about them and they are not often seen (as you discovered in looking for them to begin with). But I've sold several pairs for a nice profit online. :) I'm hoping that subsequent generations will readily eat prepared foods. It may make them more common.

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Old 05-29-2009, 01:11 AM   #18
 
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Not sure how "distinct" they are, but the top fish does seem to have three spots on the tail, unlike the other fish. The center spot is the most distinct, with the top and bottom spots being smaller and less well-defined. I guess that could be a reason for them not wanting to breed, eh?

By the way, thanks for all of your help! I've been interested in these fish for some time and it's just now that someone else seems to know a lot about them and take an interest in them!

By the way, I keep these fish with a German blue ram. I can't get over how funny it is watching them interact. The ram is a good bit bigger so he can bully the badis to a certain degree. At meal times, they are much, much quicker about grabbing food than the ram is, so the badis usually eat their fill before he comes trudging in. Then, he chases them back to their respective caves thinking he's just taken all of the food for himself. After he eats and is still feeling belligerent, he approaches their caves to show them what's what. He'll raise up his dorsal like he owns the place and slowly approach, but as soon as the badis open their sizeable mouths and start advancing from the caves he goes running in a hurry. At least Mr. Ram gets to be king of the tank for about twenty minutes a day, in his mind, anyway.
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:52 PM   #19
 
I've not kept rams but the guy I started with and got my first pair of Badis badis from keeps them. They are stunning little fish, especially in a planted tank.

Check out images for Badis ruber:

Badis ruber

Compared to the images of Badis badis:

http://www.jjphoto.dk/fish_archive/a...adis_badis.htm

The ones on the left are males, the ones on the right the females. I don't know much about them other than its a seperate species and breeds in caves like the Badis badis does. I've heard they are not as colorful also. The guy I got mine from had females of Badis badis and males of Badis ruber originally, so he cued me in on their distiction. Don't go by the color in those pictures, since they do change colors.

I'm preparing the 'spawning tank' this weekend. I can see that at least 3 of the 4 females I have are gravid. My male is ready for some luvin' (hoping at least).

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Old 06-11-2009, 01:36 AM   #20
 
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Update: the female has been acting normal, i.e. hanging out in her cave, getting into (mostly "verbal" if you could call it that) spats with the ram and munching down on food. The male, however, moved from his usual cave on the other side of the tank to the hollowed-out log in the middle and changed colors to a more dramatic orange-red with dark blue-black spots and fins. He rarely leaves the log, even to eat. Just now, I noticed some eggs! Do these fish usually lay the eggs on the ceilings of their caves, or on the ground? I ask because I didn't notice them before, so I'm wondering if they fell from the ceiling and are really tiny fry with yolk sacs. They're clear in color, similar to the pictures of eggs I've seen online, but the male has been guarding this territory for a while (maybe a week?) so hopefully I'll get some real fry. The ram will probably eat them so I'll try to make room for them in another tank and try to grow them out, if I can.

If I do in fact have a pair, they sure behave a lot differently than my kribensis pair, who are pretty much constant companions.
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