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Old 11-30-2009, 12:52 AM   #1
 
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african leaf fish

hi,

im planning on getting a few african leaf fish and i have many questions.

specs: 30gal long soon to be planted tank
ph:7.4

the tank is currently filled but has some fungus or something in it (putting a post in to figure that out) it has 6 rummy nose and 1 pleco. the pleco will be moved to a 55gal and the rummies will go into q/t for fungus. once that is done they will go into a future 20gal tank.

im gonna post also in the other thread how to get rid of all the fungus.

so ill be pretty much starting with a brand new tank. i will keep the current plants and stuff but the benificial bacteria will be gone.

questions:
how long will it take for the whole tank to be mature if i start over? (aprox.)
how many leaf fish can i put in a 30gal long? (it will be a species tank)
how heavil planted do they need? i read just enough to feel secure.
can i put some african butterfly fish in with them?
do they jump?
what do i feed juvinials to adults? do i buy feeder fish at a pet store?
do they need anything specific, like soft sand or dark colored stuff?
i read that they like shade, is this true if so i have a lot of floating 4 leaf clover looking things that should cover it well?

the plants i plan on putting in and current ones:
curent:
contortion vals
flame moss
petite nana
and some unknown comon stuff

plan:
apongeton capuronii
echinodorus amazonicus
echinodorus ozelot (2)
pellia
nymphaea rubra


any additional info would be gratly apreciated.
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Old 11-30-2009, 01:09 AM   #2
 
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If you do about a 75 percent water change and keep the tank empty but keep supplying food for a good 2 1/2 to 3 weeks that should kill of any disease/fungus because most of them can't live without a host for that long, id crank the temp too. This will help keep the cycle going. I'd put no more than 5 of them in a 30 gallon long. I think you may be pretty well off on plant cover, some rocks will help too. I have never seen heard or witnessed them jump. Feeder guppies should work great! Id use a darker substrate, they like to camouflage, and thatll give em a sense of security. Floating cover will be great, ESPECIALLY if you get an african butterfly fish <3 RIP Stryker ='( I don'tforesee a compatibility issue between the two species, however if you get the ABF, youll need a lid. If you can, get a couple, male and female. My friend has a mating pair, theyre precious together!

I think I covered everything! Youll more than likely need live floating food for the ABF, too!

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Old 11-30-2009, 07:23 PM   #3
 
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thanks!
few more questions:
they are really expensive so i was planning on getting just 2-3, do they need more?
abf are carnivores right? can i feed crickets and mealworms and stuff?
should i buy guppies from my lfs? they look pretty good and arent overcrowded.
what does the food do? create nitrates? (or whatever poo is?)
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:32 PM   #4
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by teddyzaper View Post
questions:
how long will it take for the whole tank to be mature if i start over? (aprox.)
how many leaf fish can i put in a 30gal long? (it will be a species tank)
how heavil planted do they need? i read just enough to feel secure.
can i put some african butterfly fish in with them?
do they jump?
what do i feed juvinials to adults? do i buy feeder fish at a pet store?
do they need anything specific, like soft sand or dark colored stuff?
i read that they like shade, is this true if so i have a lot of floating 4 leaf clover looking things that should cover it well?
30 long...is that a 3 ft tank? I would suggest only 1 for that size tank with 2 maybe pushing it. If you do want 2 get them both at the same time when they are small. They can be rather territorial with each other and they are very hard to sex so there's no guarantee you can get a male and female pair. I've had mine almost a year and she's grown from 2" to 6" in that time so they do get some good size on them. They do like lots of cover so plants including floating ones is a good choice. Mine likes to hide in the plants or behind my fake tree stump.

I have never seen my Cteno jump. She's actually very easygoing and slowly drifts around the tank but as was mentioned the ABFs are known jumpers so make sure your tank is covered.

Don't buy feeders from the store. That will only increase the chance of introducing disease/parasites. Mine ate flake and pellet food from day one. Now that she's bigger I feed her cichlid pellets, NLS, sinking shrimp pellets and frozen foods. She also occasionally gets ghost shrimp and some of my homegrown guppy fry. (I say "she" but I don't know for certain what sex she is).

They are a really cool fish and mine is my favorite of all my fish. She's my baby.

HTH
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Old 11-30-2009, 09:23 PM   #5
 
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jeaninel,

ive been reading up and so far ive never heard of a true african leaf fish eating flakes. if its the one in the picture, you have a Ctenopoma whcih is not a true leaf fish but a climbing gourami. so if i get one does this mean i have to breed guppies?
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:23 PM   #6
 
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Yes, I have a Ctenopoma Acutirostre which go by many different names of which "African Leaf fish" is one. Sorry, I assumed you meant the Cteno since they are more readily available. There are a number of Ctenopoma species. Which were you referring to? African Bush Fish - Aquatic Predators

Or are you talking about South American leaf fish? http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/leaffishes.htm

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Old 11-30-2009, 10:28 PM   #7
 
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thanks for clarifying it up, i am infact talking bout a south american leaf fish.
lol i didnt even know it all along
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:20 AM   #8
 
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i figured you meant sa leaf fish...but I take back one thing I said...I wouldnt have any more than three of them in a 30 long...ive never seen em more than 4 inches, so as long as at it heavily planted, territory shouldnt be an issue. I feed my betta, puffer, and when I had him, my abf all live crickets. And I feed a lot of my fish live black worms, a lot of em love it. Unless youre confident of the feeder guppies you are buying, youre gonna have to breed guppies...=/ I hope that doesnt turn yuou off to such a beautiful fish! and yes, the food is too keep the cycle going and no the leaf fish are fine alone, and actually do well in minimally populated tanks, but the abf should be fine like i said...they are lovely peaceful fish.

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Old 12-01-2009, 12:31 AM   #9
 
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im not turned off of the fish because of that, infact that is one of the reasons i picked that fish. im planning on getting 2 sa leaf fish and just spend money on plants rather than buying some other fish. besides that i love plants with leaves at the surface i.e. water lillies, so a top wouldnt be convenient for me. i might get a few abf if i decide to go that way but probably not because i simply cant find them on ANY site that has both fish in stock. either one or the other. also what do you guys think about aquabid people? are they good. im planning on getting 2 small 3" leaf fish sfor $40+ shipping. its the cheapest ive found. i can also see if my not so lfs can order them for me. the last time i ordered fish from thier they got covered in ich, does this mean i shouldnt order thier anymore or was it probably just from shipping. also im pretty shure the feeder guppies at my lfs are safe because they have been in the tank for a couple months and they dont overstock it at all. my question is could i breed feeder guppies? i would like to put them in my tank with my gourami and cories and some rummy nose. would they breed? would any fish eat them? probably the gourami right?
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:00 AM   #10
 
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Monocirrhus Polyacanthus I have no experience with. I do know that they like soft, acidic water and can be difficult to keep. One of my LFS sometimes has them and they keep them in dark, tannin stained water. You can raise your own guppies to feed but probably should also feed something else such as the live blackworms npjnkac mentioned. Maybe ask the source you're getting them from what they feed them.
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