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post #21 of 48 Old 12-27-2010, 06:04 PM
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When I said "family" I was refering to the Trichopodus genus. I can see the confusion.

So what do you recomed for multiple groups (1m/2f)? Are you suggesting that I only keep 1m and 2f? Or that I need to be careful, or something like that? I am trying to come up with a stocking list, but I think I need to figure how many I can get without haveing a problem.

Can I mix dwarfs with the Trichopodus genus?

Thanks!
Yes, consider it carefully; recognize that all these fish (gourami) are closely related so the more there are the more territorial squabbles may exist. Sometimes these are relatively harmless, sometimes they result in death of subordinate fish. Many things contribute, including having lots of plants to break up the tank and provide "hiding" places. If you are intending more than one gourami species, I would say one male of each plus 2 females of each would be a more likely recipe for success. Just remember the Gold, Opaline and Blue are all the same species so they interact much more than would the dwarf with them.

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post #22 of 48 Old 12-27-2010, 07:51 PM Thread Starter
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Are Honey Gourami and Dwarf Gourami in the same sub-genus/family/genus/sub-family/have the same latin name as the other?

Would 2 "groups" of 3 gourami each (m/2f) be too much for a filter rated for 30-60g (as oposed to a 70-110g)? I am talking about gourami from 4"-6".

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post #23 of 48 Old 12-27-2010, 08:08 PM
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Are Honey Gourami and Dwarf Gourami in the same sub-genus/family/genus/sub-family/have the same latin name as the other?

Would 2 "groups" of 3 gourami each (m/2f) be too much for a filter rated for 30-60g (as oposed to a 70-110g)? I am talking about gourami from 4"-6".
The Dwarf and Honey are in the same genus. And they are in the same Family and subfamily as the others. Which again means they will all share certain characteristics.

In a 55g the issue in this scenario is not so much water quality as behaviour/compatibility of the fish themselves. I forgot to add previously that the Gold/Blue/Opaline get 4-5 inches and may reach 6 inches. That's a decent size for a fish that likes to "own" its territory--the tank. And while this is not the same as territoriality in cichlids, it is very similar and the natural "shyness" of all gourami means that the submissive fish will be hounded by the dominant male that can result in serious health issues.

Thinking of my 70g which is 4 feet like the 55g but obviously wider front to back, I would not want more than a group of 3-5 of the "large" gourami.

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post #24 of 48 Old 12-27-2010, 09:08 PM Thread Starter
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Kinda going out on a limb here but... Would a group with 1 male dwarf and 2 female honey with 1 male gold and 1 female Pearl, 1 female opaline, 1 female moonlight would be Ok?

(edit: ...with a 30 - 60g filter rateing?)

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post #25 of 48 Old 12-27-2010, 11:22 PM
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Kinda going out on a limb here but... Would a group with 1 male dwarf and 2 female honey with 1 male gold and 1 female Pearl, 1 female opaline, 1 female moonlight would be Ok?

(edit: ...with a 30 - 60g filter rateing?)
No. Like byron said, it's not a matter of filtration.

A pair of 3 spot gouramis isn't going to tolerate the timid pearl, which will likely be bullied to death. Moonlights aren't much better, from the accounts I've seen.



Like I said before, if you want a few different species of gouramis, pearl gouramis, honey gouramis and sparkling gouramis are pretty much your only option.

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post #26 of 48 Old 12-27-2010, 11:30 PM Thread Starter
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Well, I know that aggression is more of a problem than stock, but I need to know that I can support the stock that I have selected on a 30-60g rated filter.

What about just the Trichopodus sub-genus/family/genus/sub-family/thing?

Gold gourami is top prority! I love opalines, also. Anything else is sencondary.

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post #27 of 48 Old 12-28-2010, 08:51 AM Thread Starter
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A pair of 3 spot gouramis isn't going to tolerate the timid pearl...
What is a 3 spot gourami?


I was reading through the "blue gourami" fish profile and found this "with minimal water movement from the filter" . (see, I read the profiles ). Would a power filter be too much for these guys? Isn't the Aqua110 thingy a power filter, as well as all the ones I have looked at?

How about 1m Gold, 1f Opaline, 1f Moonlight, with 1m Dwarf (orangy kind), 2f Blue Dwarf?

I know this is kinda pushing it, but I really bad want a gourami tank with some nice variety! Can pay $50 for filtration, and about $80 for fake plants? That is 6 Gourami in a 55g tank. That is all I would have in there.

Thanks for helping me guys. I know this is diffecult to help out with, but if any gourami are killed, I will take full responsabilaty! (not at all that I want any gourami to die)

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post #28 of 48 Old 12-28-2010, 11:01 AM
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Remember that the Opaline, Gold and Blue Gourami are all the same species, Trichopodus trichopterus, just different colour/pattern variants. So together they will behave as if all the same--I'm thinking of territories, aggression, etc. And they easily reach 4-5 inches (6 inches is possible). Personally I would not add the small pygmy sparkling gourami in such an environment.

There are two main groups of gourami, the larger species (all in Trichopodus now) and then the smaller/quieter/sensitive species. I think it best to keep the two groups separate, not together.
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What is a 3 spot gourami?


I was reading through the "blue gourami" fish profile and found this "with minimal water movement from the filter" . (see, I read the profiles ). Would a power filter be too much for these guys? Isn't the Aqua110 thingy a power filter, as well as all the ones I have looked at?

How about 1m Gold, 1f Opaline, 1f Moonlight, with 1m Dwarf (orangy kind), 2f Blue Dwarf?

I know this is kinda pushing it, but I really bad want a gourami tank with some nice variety! Can pay $50 for filtration, and about $80 for fake plants? That is 6 Gourami in a 55g tank. That is all I would have in there.

Thanks for helping me guys. I know this is diffecult to help out with, but if any gourami are killed, I will take full responsabilaty! (not at all that I want any gourami to die)
As Byron said, the gold, blue, opaline and a few others are all color morphs of the same species - the 3 spot gourami.

I still think your stocking list is problematic.

I don't think you'd have any other option than to take responsibility, as you would have done it against the advice you were given

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post #29 of 48 Old 12-28-2010, 11:44 PM Thread Starter
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What should I do? Can I have an all gourami (3 spots) tank? Should I use other tankmates? Do 3 spot gourami have any tankmates that will work well?

I was just seeing what I could get done (pushing it), but now I am ready to listen to advice. small fry is just a little bit stubborn.

I really want a gold gourami. Can y'all think of a setup that would work around that? Can gouramis live with Zebra Danios in a 55g tank? I know the little ZD are really hyper, and gourami kinda like still moveing tanks. What would go with 2 or 3 three-spot gourami in a 55 gallon tank (I like bold)?

Thanks for helping!

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post #30 of 48 Old 12-29-2010, 12:07 PM
This is why gourami only tanks are not advised, these fish do not get along well with each other. There are lots of fish you can keep with them. But stocking lots of various species is asking for trouble.

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