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post #11 of 48 Old 12-21-2010, 01:30 PM
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Is this a species of Opaline?
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...MkTiwiG7w2vf-Y

Can I keep Opalines and Dwarfs together? What about a Paradise Gourami? I have heard those are pretty aggressive, though.
The pic is a Gold Gourami. I've always just kept one species together and usually a male/female pair or 1 male and 2 females. The males are very territorial with each other. You should have lots of plants for them to retreat to. Live plants are best but you can use lots of tall fake plants also.

My favorite is the Pearl gourami.

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post #12 of 48 Old 12-23-2010, 10:35 AM
chocolate gouramis are very hard to care for and I ahve not even bought one for the fear of killing it. Dwarf/croaking gouramis do make sounds bt maybe e are thinking of different fish.Peat moss should soften the water... if you have a canister filter just put the moss and the end of the filter. By this I mean in the last lace to put filter media. My filter is a rena xp2 and has little boxes to put the media.

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post #13 of 48 Old 12-23-2010, 02:37 PM Thread Starter
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All of these are in our profiles, and all the info to answer the questions raised is there for each species.
I know. I am just trying to get a good idea of what I will stock, then I will do plenty of research on the species.

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post #14 of 48 Old 12-23-2010, 03:01 PM
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Hello!

I really love gouramis. I have several questions about them that I will number for your convinience.

1.) Can you have more than 1 type of gourami in 1 tank?
2.) If gouramis can breathe from the surface, why can't they be kept in small tanks (like bettas)?
3.) What is the minimum recommended size for a/a group of gourami?
4.) Can I have a non-planted 55g gourami-only tank (w/ multiple species)?
5.) What kind of filteration do I need for a non-planted gourami tank?
6.) What is the recommended m/f ratio for gourami?
7.) What gouramis would you recommend for a (gourami) beginer?

If you can answer 1 or all of them that would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

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1. Yes, if the tank is large enough. I have mixed dwarf gourami with pearl gouramis, in a 45 gallon tank.
2. Because it likes to swim. Also, aggression tends to increase when fish don't have enough space.
3. For a honey gourami, a 10. For a dwarf gourami or 2 honey gouramis, a 20. For a three spot or pearl gourami, a 29. For 2-3 pearl gouramis, a 45. For 2 three spots, a 55.
4. In a 55, you could mix pearl gouramis with honey gouramis, and maybe some sparkling gouramis. So yes, you COULD do an all gourami tank, but your choices are extremely limited. The tank doesn't need live plants, but it needs plants.
5. I would go with an Aquaclear110 or a canister for a 55. If the tank was going to be lightly stocked, you could go with less filtration I suppose. But really, it's always better to have more filtration.
6. 1m:2+f.
7. Assuming you have a 55, I would go with a trio of pearl gouramis, a trio of honey gouramis, and a group of 10 sparkling gouramis.

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post #15 of 48 Old 12-26-2010, 10:50 AM Thread Starter
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What about 3 Gold G., 3 Opaline G., 1 Pearl G.? Can I mix these with sparklers (if I can, add a trio of those to the stock)? Would that work? I don't want to spend $100 for filtration.

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What about 3 Gold G., 3 Opaline G., 1 Pearl G.? Can I mix these with sparklers (if I can, add a trio of those to the stock)? Would that work? I don't want to spend $100 for filtration.
Remember that the Opaline, Gold and Blue Gourami are all the same species, Trichopodus trichopterus, just different colour/pattern variants. So together they will behave as if all the same--I'm thinking of territories, aggression, etc. And they easily reach 4-5 inches (6 inches is possible). Personally I would not add the small pygmy sparkling gourami in such an environment.

There are two main groups of gourami, the larger species (all in Trichopodus now) and then the smaller/quieter/sensitive species. I think it best to keep the two groups separate, not together.

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post #17 of 48 Old 12-26-2010, 06:11 PM Thread Starter
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So Moonlight Gourami, http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...264607-160.jpg , Pearl Gourami, http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Fs1UXOClwvPuhw , Gold Gourami, http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...D0lp4EkrsY3Ygw , Opaline Gourami, http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...B-leZ4WkX80xq1 , are all in the same family?

Does that mean that I can use the m/f ratio on all the species as one (1 male, gold gourami, 2 females, moonlight gourami, pearl gourami)? If that makes since.

Thanks!

(edit: What about Dwarfs? I can add them first if I should be worried about DGD.)

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So Moonlight Gourami, http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...264607-160.jpg , Pearl Gourami, http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Fs1UXOClwvPuhw , Gold Gourami, http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...D0lp4EkrsY3Ygw , Opaline Gourami, http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...B-leZ4WkX80xq1 , are all in the same family?

Does that mean that I can use the m/f ratio on all the species as one (1 male, gold gourami, 2 females, moonlight gourami, pearl gourami)? If that makes since.

Thanks!

(edit: What about Dwarfs? I can add them first if I should be worried about DGD.)
I think what you really mean by "family" in this case is genus. All gourami as well as the Betta and Paradise Fish, are in the same "Family" which is Osphronemidae, and there are (today) 4 sub-families. Within these (sub-families) are the various genera (plural of genus) containing the individual species. So all the large gourami you name here are in the same genus, Trichopodus, in the sub-family Luciocephalinae (Trichogastrinae) and this means they will share a common ancestor from which the species each evolved, which in turn means there will be considerable similarities among all of the species in the genus. Just a bit of science for you. You can read a bit more on this in our introductory page on the Anabantids in the profiles. Click on the category name, in this case "Anabantids" and it takes you to the general introduction to the Order. This works for several of the Orders, those that are underlined as links in the profiles section.

So to answer your question, the males of any of the species in the genus will regard all males in the genus as rivals, yes. So this should be borne in mind when selecting numbers for the same aquarium. Another member, Inga I believe, had some trouble over this fact a few months back; one male, a Gold if memory serves me, attacked and I think injured or killed male/female Blue Gourami--or it may have been the reverse. Anyway, you get the picture.

The "Dwarf" Gourami is close to the Trichopodus species; Dwarfs are now in the Trichogaster genus, which is in the same sub-family as Trichopodus. So again, this tells us that they will share many characteristics which can be things like behaviours (certainly), aggressiveness (certainly, to differing degrees depending upon species), environmental habitat (basically), spawning practices (yes), etc. These issues are covered in our profiles of each species.

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chocolate gouramis are very hard to care for and I ahve not even bought one for the fear of killing it. Dwarf/croaking gouramis do make sounds bt maybe e are thinking of different fish.Peat moss should soften the water... if you have a canister filter just put the moss and the end of the filter. By this I mean in the last lace to put filter media. My filter is a rena xp2 and has little boxes to put the media.
they aren't that hard to care for (ive had two for over a year now), they love freeze dried bloodworms, and as long as you keep the usual bad stuff down and theres places for them to hide from each other you will be fine
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post #20 of 48 Old 12-26-2010, 07:09 PM Thread Starter
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When I said "family" I was refering to the Trichopodus genus. I can see the confusion.

So what do you recomed for multiple groups (1m/2f)? Are you suggesting that I only keep 1m and 2f? Or that I need to be careful, or something like that? I am trying to come up with a stocking list, but I think I need to figure how many I can get without haveing a problem.

Can I mix dwarfs with the Trichopodus genus?

Thanks!

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