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post #11 of 24 Old 10-05-2010, 08:33 AM Thread Starter
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The nipped looking part is visible from the pic, thats actually where i noticed it, and is at the top portion of its tail.

I didnt get the three spots but i sure wanted them. I like the pearls ok but i have to say my favorite are the bandeds. I also have two of them in the tank as well. They seem to play together ok. Their colors are very vibrant especially the orange in them. The pearls usually hang out together and one of the bandeds will hang out in the middle of them from time to time
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post #12 of 24 Old 10-05-2010, 09:48 AM
well maybe they are arranging a pecking order in the tank.make sure theres no serious aggression in the tank

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post #13 of 24 Old 10-05-2010, 03:05 PM
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Hi Peanut72. Just wanted to say welcome to the forum. The Pearl in your pic is a female so they don't get as colorful as the males. Is your other one a female also? Females have a shorter, more rounded dorsal fin than the males and don't get the bright red "throat" area that the males do. Also, males will get the "trailers" on their dorsal and anal fins that someone mentioned earlier. Here's a pic of my male and female. Male in the first pic. Female in the second.
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post #14 of 24 Old 10-05-2010, 05:41 PM Thread Starter
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They both looked exactly the same as the one in my pic, so if one was female I can only assume they are both female. No red or other coloration other than the black down the center. Unfortunately I lost one some time today. When I got home I could only find one and finally found the other dead near the back of the tank. It looked like its tail fin was in a little worse condition than earlier. No other spots on it that showed any damage or illnes of any type. The other one is still fine, but does show the same look on the tail fin. I never saw any other fish being very aggressive to them. One of the bandeds chased it around a bit when they first went in. After that they seemed to mingle just fine. I have to admit though, I havent really spent a great deal of time watching them. Just a peek from the couch mainly. I will go over and watch them a few times a day, but never for more than a few minutes.

Just did a quick water test and heres what I got
pH - 7.6
Nitrite - .50
Nitrate - 10
Ammonia - .25

The water has been stable holding at
pH - 7.6
NitrIte - 0
NitrAte - 5-10
Ammonia - typically 0 but saw it questional at .25 one day a bout a week ago

I also noticed the water was a bit cloudy today. Could this have contributed to it dying or would it dying contribute to the off water params? Im not sure how long it has been dead. I know it was just fine last night when I turned their light off. I didnt check on them this morning, my wife fed them when she got home. She usually checks them and does a head count so I cant believe it was dead then either. Should I do a quick water change as I havent done one yet this week?

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post #15 of 24 Old 10-05-2010, 06:58 PM Thread Starter
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Heres a pic of the remianing Pearl. You can really see its tail torn up quite a bit. It was not like this yesterday. It did have some, but not nearly that bad.



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Sorry to hear you lost one of them. That tail on your remaining Pearl looks like finrot. Stress, poor water quality and overcrowding can lead to finrot which is caused by several bacteria. Treatment would include water changes and antibiotics. It appears your tank may still be cycling. Is the tank fairly new? How long has it been set up? Antibiotics may affect your beneficial bacteria so if your tank is still cycling this may be a problem. I would do an immediate water change and several small water changes throughout the week and keep an eye on those water parameters. I also suspect the other gourami may be harassing the Pearl and nipping at it. Keep us posted.

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It has been running almost a month now. When I set it up I started feeding it for about a week when I put a few fish in it to help cycle. I used Safe Start to help get things going and I started seeing nitrates but never say any nitrites or ammonia spike. I thought I was good to go and started stocking. All has been well until today when I found this one. Gonna do a quick pwc tonight. Should I seperate the one Pearl from the rest of the tank? I dont have anything to put it in but I guess I need to pick up a small hospital tank soon huh. If for no other reason than it would be good to have on hand.

Overcrowding shouldnt be an issue as I have a 75G and only a handful of fish. No others are showing anything like that, could it have just been these two having something wrong with them when I got them? I have only had them since Sunday afternoon/evening.

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A hospital tank is an excellent idea. That way you could give her a quiet place to de-stress and treat her for the fin rot. It's quite possible the Pearls brought something with them from the LFS. That's why a QT tank is a great idea. I QT all my new arrivals for at least 2-3 weeks before they go into their permanent homes. You can get 10 gallon tanks for pretty cheap. Check Craigslist too as you can probably find complete set ups for cheap.

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post #19 of 24 Old 10-06-2010, 05:37 PM Thread Starter
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I am going to have to do that from now on. I agree with you on bringing something to the tank. I lost the other on sometime today. she was still swimming this morning when I left, but was dead by the time I got home. water params are still a little off, pretty close to what they were last night before the water change. I did another approx. 50% today. Partly so I could get the plants in easier and partly to try to get it cleared up. I am keeping a close watch on all of the others, but none of them are showing any signs of being sick. Hopefully this holds out to be true and the rest will be ok. I got these fish from a not so LFS, kinda out of town. We just stopped in to see what they had and turned out to not be such a great idea. Anyway, thanks everyone for all the tips and comments. I guess since they are both gone now we can close this one up.

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post #20 of 24 Old 10-11-2010, 03:57 PM
i think thats fin rot too better do some thing before the rest get the fins rot from the outer ring once it reaches the tail bone the fish dies

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