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post #41 of 53 Old 11-09-2013, 07:44 PM
a self-sustaining tank is a precarious goal
a set of tanks is easier
what i've heard, (for seperate tanks), ... your looking at 6 tanks total to cover if anything crashes and to make sure there is enough to go around), ...

i've heard on persons arbitrary desicion to have a regular tank, not vacuum the bottom and let things do their stuff for a year (so enough detritus accumulates in the substrate) before thinking of trying self-sustaining

i've heard lots, i've been searching for a year and a half, ... you could probably get away with things like shrimp or clams and invertebrates a lot easier, ... but even at flagfish size, ... algae is your friend, smaller than flagfish algae may be your only plant that won't overgrow your tank, ... snails are nice as they will eat dead leaves and such, ... there's a whole lot to consider if your seriously thinking about a self-sustaining tank.

not to tell you 'no', ... but i'll tell you no for now, get your small biotopes going, learn, experience, learn more, and then do lots of research, and more research
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post #42 of 53 Old 11-09-2013, 07:46 PM
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+10 to poo ~.^

Flear is right, absolutely. Leave yourself open to new ideas, take the time and do the research before settling. It's going to be a fun ride, and if you pull this off right, whenever these tanks go up, it's going to be pretty awesome :)

Everything depends on the animals you end up with for this setup. You need to do a LOT of research before deciding on just any old fish!! A 10g tank offers you FAR more options than your 5g dream did. If you choose the right fish, you actually can have a community tank - I think BWG put up quite a few suggestions. Nano fish are AMAZING. But they are so very frail and sensitive. Some of them make our rams look tough as goldfish! >.< So you'll want to be sure you have the skills to maintain these small tanks perfectly before bringing them home. Smaller tanks are always more difficult than larger ones by default. :) Species only, or specimen tanks are another really neat way to go - I have the feeling you may ultimately end up with both - but am thinking it's a way off yet. That's okay! In the meantime we dream and learn all we can, neh?

As far as the self-sustaining aquarium is concerned, be wary. As Flear eluded to above - this may be a myth! Just learn what you can. And? AND?! Paludariums = awesome. There are SO many different options. Half the fun of setting up a tank is learning about them!

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post #43 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 05:14 AM
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Ten years ha! It all depends in what sort of education you pack into the time you have available to dedicate towards seeing your end results. It reminds me of the story of the two young guys, the summer before they go into high school. They both want to try out for the basketball team. One guy practices granny shots over his head, 10 hours daily, every day. The other guy plays with & against his older brother & his friends for 5 hours a day. Who do you think has a better chance of making the team?

Don't be granny shot guy. All knowledge is not found online. Get involved with a local club, several if possible. The folks heavily involved with multiple tank fishrooms, breeding, buying & selling, coming up with innovative ideas & seeing them through don't have the time for online nonsense. I'm one of the few that was brought up with electronics, so naturally fell into computers among other gadgets. I can name a dozen local guys with 20-40 tank fishrooms who rarely even bother with e-mail, but are seriously my go to guys when an idea or some such pops up. Find these folks, I have yet to find one that isn't willing to talk shop, some for endless hours. Plan on spending some serious cash on gas driving to events, besides the knowledge available you'll get great deals on gear & supplies. Grab a friend, in a few years you'll be telling us how things should roll, as well as having an endless supply of fish road trip stories. I'm surprised none of mine have involved the cops, yet, it's been close that's for sure.

For your arctic idea find a used lobster tank. These are double pane tanks, many have an integrated refrigeration unit. They won't be cheap, even used. I wouldn't consider anything smaller than a 50 gallon for this project. They cost money to run, and weigh as much as a volkswagon, these things turned me off from the idea years ago.
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post #44 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 11:18 AM Thread Starter
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@Flear - Meh, self sustaining tanks don't interest me anymore......maybe one day I'll find a way to do that, maybe when I'm older and wiser

@Chesh - Thanks, I try, and this I'll be short and sweet (technology = huge lifespan increase)

I hope I live long enough to try out other great stuff and maybe I could even be pioneer in a new technique for say fishkeeping, or something outside the aquarium (still animal based)

Who the bleep knows! I would be ok having my tanks be a species only, I'll look at my options, would be cool to have my main tank be a community tank while my biotope tanks are species only - nice contrast

I thought about that too, could be a myth

@Tolak - Ok, I'm definitely going to be the guy plays with & against his older brother & his friends for 5 hours a day.

I'll look into going to events, clubs, and get my hands dirty with this stuff, that's funny because I was brought up with electronics as well, and my second biggest hobby are video games, can't wait for the 22nd for the Xbox One!

As of right now, before I go head first into another day looking up fish, this is the list of fish that I looked up so far, I need to filter out any and all fish that might be arctic (not doable) and any temperate (subtropical, I don't like) so only coldwater, nothing more, nothing less.

- Two Horned Sculpin
- Lake Chub
- Northern Leatherback Chub
- Darter Fish
- Ninespine Stickleback
- Slimy Sculpin
- Spoonhead Sculpin
- Three-spined Stickleback
- White Cloud Mountain Minnow
- Sunfish (?)
- Shiner fish
- Minnows
- Bitterling fish
- Archer fish
- Gudgeons
- Gambusia
- Dace fish
- Hillstream Loach
- Rasbora fish
- Gobies (?)

Other critters

- Lymnaea Elodes snail
- Murrary Crayfish
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post #45 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 11:36 AM
Subtropical is an aquarium running from 64-72 and varying a bit due to the seasons. No idea what YOUR definition is for half the things you say. Best of luck though in your research.
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post #46 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 11:55 AM Thread Starter
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Subtropical is an aquarium running from 64-72 and varying a bit due to the seasons. No idea what YOUR definition is for half the things you say. Best of luck though in your research.
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post #47 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 01:40 PM
technology doesn't = life span increase
if you are choosing technology to replace something biological, it's a loose-loose-loose
more expensive initial, more expensive to maintain, does not do as good a job. may make your fish more stressed
takes a great deal more time

if you are choosing technology to satisfy something that cannot be done biologically, it's win-win

if you are choosing technology for convenience, ... just don't
there are automatic fish feeders, great for vacations, ... but then you don't pay attention to the eating behaviors of your fish as much.

some places technology is good, other times not so much, ... just be careful
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post #48 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 02:18 PM
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Tech is a judgement call once you get more advanced. Biologically I can feel the tank temperature, and judge close enough the replacement water I'm hosing in. When I find a digital herp thermometer with an external probe I can duct tape to my faucet & monitor refill temperature when I do other things, well, it is technology for convenience when I've got 20-30 tanks running. That $12 thermometer is a time saver, time is money. There are no big tricks to this aquatics nonsense, just a million little ones.
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post #49 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 02:56 PM
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Squatch? May I ask what criteria you're using as you're digging up these fish suggestions? . . .some of these seem really far off target for any of these setups, though I admit to not being terribly familiar with all of them.

There are a LOT of fish in the freshwater sea. . . you have to narrow things down a bit! O.O

May I make a suggestion?

I think it will be MUCH easier for you if you focus on ONE tank at a time. . .

Pick a tank, any tank. Figure out the basics, and then start doing research into what fish would meet the requirements for it - be sure to check the size of the fish as well as the recommended tank sizes, temperature range is important, space requirements, water hardness. . . there is SO much to look into before setting up any tank, even more so when they're very specialized like what you're trying to do.
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post #50 of 53 Old 11-10-2013, 05:43 PM Thread Starter
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@Flear - No, you didn't get what I meant, I made it really vague, sorry - human augmentation - is that more specific?

@Tolak - Same as Flear

@Chesh - The criteria that I'm using while digging around? Nothing. HAHAHA

Down below is a pretty good size list that's narrowed down, also I AM working on one tank at a time, I'm working on my Arctic/Freshwater tank (I say Arctic because it's cool nickname but is soo not true at the same time)

I know, I have a very narrowed down list of pure coldwater/freshwater fish now, and all I have to do is pick which ones and than look up their requirements

This is my list so far for fish:

- Lake Chub
- Northern Leatherside Chub
- White Cloud Mountain Minnow
- Banded Sunfish
- Blue Spotted Sunfish
- Black Banded Sunfish
- Bigeye Chub
- Torrent Sucker
- Black Jumprock
- Stoneroller Minnow
- Redside Dace
- Rainbow Dace
- Gambusia
- Hillstream Loach


- Lymnaea Elodes
- Murrary Crayfish
- Micro crabs
- Ghost Shrimp
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