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Types of Fish for Each 10gal Nano Tank Biome
Old 11-09-2013, 12:55 AM   #31
 
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. . .When in doubt, do a water change. Clean water is magic, and it won't cause harm. ^.^

I do 30-50%, I know people that do more, but 50% seems to the the average, from what I see around...
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Old 11-09-2013, 10:37 AM   #32
 
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I've been reading this thread with some trepidation, and have finally gotten tired of biting my tongue.

Sasquathcman, my friend, with all due respect, please take a deep breath and get yourself organized, You have set yourself a complicated, extravagant goal without understanding the requirements that have to be met. This goal would be a major challenge for a keeper with at least ten solid years of experience in a variety of disciplines. Even to fully understand the advice given to you here, requires basic knowledge and background that would take years of dedicated practice and hands-on fishkeeping. You won't get this education online, and you especially won't learn what you need by listening to employees of a general pet-store. I'd think twice about following advice from a dedicated LFS. Look at the years of experience these helpful members here have accumulated. Even they would have second thoughts about building your project.

You have a 60g tank to maintain? What's in it? How's it going? When you can appropriately stock (and know why); plant effectively and keep them growing; understand the nitrogen cycle and it's subtleties; maintain water parameters without strain for a year or more with healthy unstressed livestock, then...you can stock another tank, perhaps a tropical biome. If that's successful (and if you can afford it), maybe try a saltwater tank. Not a "barrier reef" biome, but a suitably large, compatible, thriving tank.

By the time you've done that, you'll know the answers to your questions and also know why it's difficult for us to answer them in a manner that you'll truly understand. you'll also appreciate the considerable cost of what you're trying to do.

You wouldn't take driver's training in a Ferrari. You don't learn to fly in a fighter jet. All you'll do by biting off more than you can chew is to kill a bunch of innocent fish. And that's the reason I've been biting my tongue and not saying anything until now.

Around here, we put the fish first. All our help for new members is directed towards the safety and well-being of their pets. That's what we're trying to do for you. But first you have to decide on realistic goals, which match your experience, aptitude and pocketbook.

I hope you found this helpful. It was not in any way intended to embarrass or discourage you. Fishkeeping is and enjoyable and fulfilling hobby, which many of us practice for our whole lives. We start slowly, learn and grow, and achieve our goals incrementally, as befits a lifelong practice. We sincerely hope you will do this as well.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:01 PM   #33
 
@Chesh - I did a 50% water change, apparently it was crazy high, because after I did the water change, I still had pink - like 15ppm in my tank.......Is that normal for a bacterial bloom to do that, tomorrow I have to do another 50% after everything has been cycled through.

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@Hallyx - This message won't just go to you, but I think everyone needs to hear this, I'm pretty sure you've read my first post on this thread stating I was a noob and you basically get the picture, that guess what, I'm a noob......

So what you're saying, and I think a lot of the others will agree with you that I should just take a chill pill and relax, I should at least become an intermediate fishkeeper before doing something with tremendous skill that this project will require. Alright, I see your point really clearly - So 10 years is the minimum in order to do this project, got it.

Alright, so come here or another good forum to talk about legitimate questions about anything I need to know and stay clear of any LFS - simply because they aren't trustworthy - also I know what you mean about being book smart and street smart, reading about it is a WHOLE lot different than experiencing first hand, got it

In my 60 gallon tank I have these fish, it might seem a tad overcrowded, but if I took a video it wouldn't look like it:

- 1 Uaru
- 2 Red Spotted Severums
- 1 Geophagus Brasiliensis
- 2 Spotted Gourami
- 3 Cobalt Gourami
- 1 Bolivian Ram
- 4 Boesemani Rainbow
- 3 Common Pleco
- 8 Corys

Plants

- Nesaea Sp. Red
- Rotala Wallichii
- Alternanthera Reineckii Roseatolia
- Cabomba Paleaformis
- Dwarf Onion

I have slate and driftwood, the slate was there mostly just to be dividers so I knew where to put the plants evenly and I have about 10 pieces of small driftwood ranging from 5" to about 12" and that's placed vertically on the left and right sides of the tank where some of the plants are nestled in. I have a GIANT piece of driftwood that floats in the corner of the tank but it makes it look like there a thick branch coming into the water hanging. It looks cool.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:17 PM   #34
 
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I think the idea you have is great but perhaps there is a better way to tackle this more realistically. I'd say pick one tank *personally I'd do the salt but up the gallons to at least 30-40... if anything will teach you patience and the expense of the project that one will do it!* Work on that one over a couple of years then work on the next. The arctic as BWG said will just never be, but by the time you get there you'll have figured out something else equally as cool but actually possible.
You don't want to load yourself up on too much at once where you're current tank may suffer from lack of attention. The knowledge needs to become your own in a sense so that when an issue arises the answer is already there and you were prepared.

Wait..rewind.. did you really mean to say you have 3 common plecos in your tank? I hope you mean some other kind of pleco. Not even 1 common pleco will fit in a 60g once grown. (they are a large 2ft fish)
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:30 PM   #35
 
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@Chesh - I did a 50% water change, apparently it was crazy high, because after I did the water change, I still had pink - like 15ppm in my tank.......Is that normal for a bacterial bloom to do that, tomorrow I have to do another 50% after everything has been cycled through.

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15ppm of what, dear? Bacterial bloom was a guess - more information on the tank was needed to be sure of anything.

I hope you don't feel as if we're putting you down or anything! I'm a total beginner myself! We all have to start somewhere, and you WILL get your dream tanks!!! 10 years isn't a rule or requirement, lol. Hal was just hoping to help you understand the perspective of our more experienced fish-keepers - these projects require a fairly advanced skill level, and we want to be certain you understand that before committing. You've learned how to crawl already - but have to learn to walk before you take off running!!! That in no way means we can't start researching in preparation for these future tanks!
^__^


That being said - we're starting to veer off topic. . . If you would like input on stocking or issues regarding your current 60g setup, it is probably best to start a new thread in beginner freshwater devoted to those questions, and keep THIS thread about this project!

*hugs* Thanks for understanding what we've been trying t say. I STILL can't wait to see this project take shape for you!
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:32 PM   #36
 
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I hope you don't feel as if we're putting you down or anything! I'm a total beginner myself! We all have to start somewhere, and you WILL get your dream tanks!!! 10 years isn't a rule or requirement, lol. Hal was just hoping to help you understand the perspective of our more experienced fish-keepers - these projects require a fairly advanced skill level, and we want to be certain you understand that before committing. You've learned how to crawl already - but have to learn to walk before you take off running!!! That in no way means we can't start researching in preparation for these future tanks!
^__^

*hugs* Thanks for understanding what we've been trying to say. I can't wait to see this project take shape for you - never stop learning!
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@Chesh - I did a 50% water change, apparently it was crazy high, because after I did the water change, I still had pink - like 15ppm in my tank.......Is that normal for a bacterial bloom to do that, tomorrow I have to do another 50% after everything has been cycled through.

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15ppm of what, dear? Bacterial bloom was an arbitrary guess - which is why I requested more information on the tank. Without the details, pinpointing an issue can be very difficult, I'm afraid.

That being said - remember to stay on topic!
If you would like input on stocking or issues related to your current 60g setup, it is best to start a new thread in beginner freshwater devoted to those questions (feel free to link to it here!).
That way more members will see it and be able to help out based on their own experiences. . .
THIS thread is about the nano biotope project!
(Sorry! We mod types get fussy about thread topics sometimes, it's kind of our job, lol)
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:59 PM   #37
 
@Agent13 and Chesh - Alrighty, I'm hopping back on this wagon, how long do you think I need before venturing off to new lands, so to speak? 10 years is what Hallyx said, so yeah....

There is however, one MORE concept I can do with this......get ready, it's gonna blow your socks off. So I was thinking, I could, theoretically do this, have my main tank, the big pretty one be the Brackish/Estuary tank while having two smaller tanks, each being half the size of my main tank one being a planted freshwater aquarium and the other be a saltwater aquarium.

I still would LOVE to do the hemisphere zones on the earth play a role with the tanks too, but that could, maybe be sacrificed. I could do my main tank be a temperate estuary/brackish swamp - while one or the other (my freshwater and saltwater tank) be the arctic, cold water tank, and the other be a tropical, warm water tank - whichever one would be easier to achieve.

So yeah, here's the third concept in a nutshell

Example

60 gallon - Brackish water
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30 gallon - Freshwater
30 gallon - Saltwater

Optional, if I could still do the hemisphere zones as well - just a thought, what do you guys think?
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Old 11-09-2013, 02:10 PM   #38
 
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lol, venturing off to new lands. . . XP
Tank inspiration is such a lovely thing, isn't it!??? Don't lose your enthusiasm, we love it!

. . . there is no number of years experience requirement, hun. It depends on how committed/focused you are to doing the research and learning - both about your current tank, and future ones. . .

One of the best bits of advice I can give regarding ANY tank is to go slowly.

Those tanks that have been grown bit by bit over time, and with a lot of prior research put in - are ALWAYS the best and healthiest. Taking the time to learn and do it right REALLY shows in the end result, and brings much more satisfaction to the owner.

I know it's hard! Believe me - there are so many fun things I want to do with tanks!!! I just have to remind myself that I've got YEARS ahead of me to explore this amazing underwater world! For right now, I'm thrilled to learn all that I can from my current setups - I've had some of these animals for almost two years, now - and I'm still learning more about them every day!
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:41 PM   #39
 
instead of biotopes, i've been looking up self-sustaining aquariums

first, ... there is no information on self-sustaining aquariums

over the last year and a half i've found enough basics to think (or delude myself) that maybe i'll be able to do this

it took me 9 months to find a fish i am hoping i can try, the florida flagfish, ... right diet type i am looking for, unfortunately it's known for not knowing when it's eaten enough, it is known for eating food just because it's there.

it's a constant mix of what do you want and what do you end up with.

i've been looking for over a year and a half, and there is still more i need to find

it's plenty alright to take a long time to find what your after for your tanks, ... but there is no rush, and what you are searching for now may not be what you settle on.

unlike my idea, your idea has lots of options, ... find a fish you like, 10 gallons i do believe you're going to have a species specific tank, as far as fish are concerned, you could have lots of other inhabitants in the tank you don't realize now.

take it easy on yourself, ... if you want a cold-water tank, ... i've heard of one that 12celcius is summer tempurature for the fish, i do not know if it's salt, fresh, or brackish. (i don't remember anything more than this about the fish)

find the fish you want, then look up what it wants, what tempuratures, salt/fresh, diet, etc.

if your going to settle on a 10 gallon for each type, ... look up only one fish at a time so you can focus on it

maybe you will have 3 freshwater tanks, or 3 brackish, or 3 salt, maybe 3 cold or 3 warm, maybe the tanks will be the same in this regard, but you are stuck on 2 or more different fish that are not compatible, and you don't want to turn your back on either.

just find a fish, then build your tank around it.

deciding what you want the fish to live in, then searching for the fish, is a little harder unless you want someone else to decide your fish for you.
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:57 PM   #40
 
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instead of biotopes, i've been looking up self-sustaining aquariums
Ah! Dude, that's sick! You gave me another idea - I could make my main tank a self sustained aquarium!

I could have the 3 smaller tanks be biotopes that I'd always have to maintain, but my main tank could be self sustained.

.........But than again, this might turn into something Chesh said.....a Paludarium

That was a curve ball, but luckily I dodged that poo HAHA

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So you're saying, for as long as I've been fishkeeping, it took you the same amount of time to find a fish for your experiment? Yeah, you're right, it's not like there are in fact deadlines, so I could take a breather and just enjoy what I have in front of me

Thanks for the support on my cold water biotope tank - I know I can get strictly cold water fish, and not just seasonal fish (temperate)

Got your point about looking at fish first before doing the tank itself, and I think I might just decide for myself what's best (or at least most of the time) and then come here and filter my results. I think that could work

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