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Old 03-03-2014, 01:18 PM   #31
 
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In any lake the amount of replacement water flowing through determines the ecology of that lake, from wide spot in a river to a secluded pond, from a rice paddy to a slow stream. Some of these environments get the equivalent of a 50% water change every week. Some more; some less.

Which among this wide range do you wish to emulate in your tank?
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:38 PM   #32
 
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Who does 10% water changes every 10 days? Mine are 40-50% weekly, and the only place I see 10% water changes recommended are from petsmart....
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Is that what petsmart tells you to do ? I should for fun read up on their suggestions . I know they tell people to put bearded dragons on sand.. Or even worse .. Calcium sand. Which kills dragons . Reduces their life span from 18 yrs to 2months -2yrs.
10% is a gigantic waste of my time. With exactly the same effort I could change 80%.


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Old 03-03-2014, 02:17 PM   #33
 
a franchise box store, ... unless the associate you're talking to just happens to be interested in whatever pets/animals they are taking care of, ... it's just another job to them, learn on the job, but after that go home to b/f or g/f (or both) party on Friday evenings, and who cares, it's not your fish/pets on the line, ...

even at my local pet store that has a lady who is their 'fish expert' her advice is ... hit & miss, slightly better than average, definitely better than the beginner, but that's about it.

oddly, even online information is hit & miss at times
i remember looking up goldfish, ... how long do they live ?, ... answers range from 5 years to 25 years, ... i would have expected something so common to be a lot more knowledgeable and consistent about how to take care of these well-know fish, ...

same with plants online, ... fast growing, high light demanding, etc. ... depending on what sites you are looking at you will get wildly different answers.

i have mentioned it to one of the moderators on here (TFK) about allowing us regulars to input their own information and experience on fish (and other) profiles.

there's a huge value in experience over moderators reading from whatever their favorite site is.

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it would be nice to see a list of comments after each fish of what people have kept parameters for a particular fish in. what allowed for breeding, ... and the ability to edit well after 20 min.

sure, some fish would have dozens of additional entries that would fluctuate wildly, ... but also would be included the parameters of people who have successfully bred their fish, results of how many fry, what live foods they like (including plants - for diet and/or plants to avoid for whatever reason)

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well that's my rant, ...

sure it becomes a list of wildly random parameters, one person with a high pH, one with a low pH, another who was able to breed under X parameters, ... but out comes some consistency from experience ...

ranges get seen, 5 people successfully breeding a particular fish get to show pH ranges, (and other ranges)
water conditions (high flow, no flow, etc.) water changes, temperatures ... all those details.

just me, it's a little frustrating looking for information and seeing conflicting information that is obtained from a book, or whatever other arbitrary source and seeing these sources conflict with others, ... there's a lack of consistency, and few places allow for comments or input that allow for people to share their experiences.
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:17 PM   #34
 
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bob does make a good point though. SMALL water changes are as bad as no water changes at all. Since i started communicating with you good people here at tfk, ive increased the amount of water changed from 25% every week to 60% every two weeks. Im considering a once yearly or so 100% water change for all my tanks As bob says, i want my tank to be a reflection of the tapwater, not what happens to the water after it sits in the tank.
Kinda funny that instead of changing less or no water as bob suggests, his arguments have convinced me to change more!
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:37 PM   #35
 
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bob does make a good point though. SMALL water changes are as bad as no water changes at all. Since i started communicating with you good people here at tfk, ive increased the amount of water changed from 25% every week to 60% every two weeks. Im considering a once yearly or so 100% water change for all my tanks As bob says, i want my tank to be a reflection of the tapwater, not what happens to the water after it sits in the tank.
Kinda funny that instead of changing less or no water as bob suggests, his arguments have convinced me to change more!
Haha! Wouldnt it be nice if everyone he tried to sell his "method" to walked away with what you did?
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:50 PM   #36
 
Risky, ... to help you out.

http://www.theaquatools.com/water-changes-calculator

while it's more of a numbers thing, ... i just type in the % water changed & how often, ... don't really care about the initial values, it will give you an estimate about what to expect over time, ... where things will settle out, ... a good place to start.

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playing around with it, 10% a week is really wasting your efforts (unless you're doing this daily)
50% a week is great

(just aiming for numbers under 20.

i'm not even sure what to call "dirt" by that calculators estimates, ... but under 20 seems healthy to me. ... not counting the more sensitive fish out there, ... and at that point i'm sure under 5

i'm no expert at all, it's just guesses & what feels right with nothing to back up my guesses :)
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:21 PM   #37
 
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noone said could spell.

Besides what's the plural?

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Old 03-03-2014, 04:23 PM   #38
 
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Risky, ... to help you out.

Aquarium Water Changes Calculator - Are your filters up to the job? | Aquarium Tools | Aquarium Tools

while it's more of a numbers thing, ... i just type in the % water changed & how often, ... don't really care about the initial values, it will give you an estimate about what to expect over time, ... where things will settle out, ... a good place to start.

Edit:
playing around with it, 10% a week is really wasting your efforts (unless you're doing this daily)
50% a week is great

(just aiming for numbers under 20.

i'm not even sure what to call "dirt" by that calculators estimates, ... but under 20 seems healthy to me. ... not counting the more sensitive fish out there, ... and at that point i'm sure under 5

i'm no expert at all, it's just guesses & what feels right with nothing to back up my guesses :)
and I get way way way under 20ppm with no water changes.

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Old 03-03-2014, 04:27 PM   #39
 
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Who does 10% water changes every 10 days? Mine are 40-50% weekly, and the only place I see 10% water changes recommended are from petsmart....
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So it is you opinion that brand new aquarium owners are best served by telling them to change 40-50% of the tank water each week?

I simply disagree with that.

my .02
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:33 PM   #40
 
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So it is you opinion that brand new aquarium owners are best served by telling them to change 40-50% of the tank water each week?

I simply disagree with that.

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Why?


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