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post #101 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 11:20 AM
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Carlos ?? Again ??? Bob, I've been hearing you talk about this Carlos person For perhaps a decade ..
I'm really tired of hearing about Carlos and all the other random isolated things you talk about as if you the mighty bob were responsible for saving their tank. Fish I'm cycling sure does kill fish , don't know how you think *you* fixed his issues ( years ago !!)
And all this tank spiking talk .. I don't have that issue ever when setting up tanks . I'll be filling up my QT tank Friday for fish that arrive Friday .. Guess what .. It will be ready and spike free the moment I set it up !
And if I were to listen to your advice my more advanced fish wouldn't do well. I'd lose my electric blue rams . My African cichlids would simply die.. That is the ones who weren't killed by the others first .. And a few others too .
And if I weren't headed into a meeting is be tackling more of your outright incorrect information


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post #102 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
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Are you joking? -cringe- I won't even begin to delve into the issues I have with this post.

But since you want to take anecdotal evidence as truth, what about my case study?? I cured ich with 87 degree warm water and daily/bidaily 50% water changes with sensitive german blue rams? What do you say to that?

Edit: Note that I was using prime as well, dosing the entire aquarium volume each water change.
I believe you and glad you cured the ich.

Do you believe I don't get ich to begin with?

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Carlos ?? Again ??? Bob, I've been hearing you talk about this Carlos person For perhaps a decade ..
I'm really tired of hearing about Carlos and all the other random isolated things you talk about as if you the mighty bob were responsible for saving their tank. Fish I'm cycling sure does kill fish , don't know how you think *you* fixed his issues ( years ago !!)
And all this tank spiking talk .. I don't have that issue ever when setting up tanks . I'll be filling up my QT tank Friday for fish that arrive Friday .. Guess what .. It will be ready and spike free the moment I set it up !
And if I were to listen to your advice my more advanced fish wouldn't do well. I'd lose my electric blue rams . My African cichlids would simply die.. That is the ones who weren't killed by the others first .. And a few others too .
And if I weren't headed into a meeting is be tackling more of your outright incorrect information


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Funny I only heard of Carlos for the last two months on this forum.

How do you know your more "advanced" fish would die?

have a nice meeting.

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #104 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 11:35 AM
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With Carlos

Using Carlos' situation as justification for not following mainstream methods is as ridiculous as you using yours as justification for not following mainstream methods.

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125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
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post #105 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 11:48 AM Thread Starter
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Using Carlos' situation as justification for not following mainstream methods is as ridiculous as you using yours as justification for not following mainstream methods.
So if mainstream methods don't work then we are not to question those methods anyway?

and when "my" methods do work we still are not to question the mainstream methods?

So what does it take to evaluate "mainstream" methods? to just win a popularity contest? results are irrelevant?

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/

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So if mainstream methods don't work then we are not to question those methods anyway?

Using Carlos' situation as justification for not following mainstream methods is as ridiculous as you using yours as justification for not following mainstream methods.

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
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post #107 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 11:54 AM Thread Starter
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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #108 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 11:56 AM
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Then how does one evaluate either system?

By a majority vote?

Or by results.

Using Carlos' situation as justification for not following mainstream methods is as ridiculous as you using yours as justification for not following mainstream methods.

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
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post #109 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 12:16 PM
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You are the only one who cared about a supposed popularity contest, bob .
One single Carlos a method does not make . Nor do I think you had any hand in what happened with Carlos . Nor do I care about Carlos . What I do care to mention is your tanks are very dirty. I would never allow that in my home .. That's ignoring all the other consequences of your "method ".

I'll also point out. You keep livebearers . They breed like rabbits . If you had a healthy tank why aren't you over run with fish ? Just descendants of previous fish .. Look around this site to others who keep livebearers but with proper aquarium keeping . Their fish live along with the babies and they end up with tons of fish .. Too many really . Why are yours dying off ? I like keeping the fish I purchased for a LONG time .. Not for them to breed so much to make up for my neglect .


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post #110 of 155 Old 03-05-2014, 12:42 PM
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Funny I only heard of Carlos for the last two months on this forum.

How do you know your more "advanced" fish would die?

have a nice meeting.

I heard of your "miraculous" newbie tank fix on another forum .. Years ago .

I know because .. Well let's talk about first the Africans .. They lose color if you go too long between water changes .. They need extreme filtration and circulation or they kill eachother as well . How do I know that .. Not only from studying them like the full on nerd I am but skis from power outs .. Other African keepers can confirm this easily . A loss of circulation and filtration results in a murder spree really quickly . I have gone out of town as well for 2 weeks them another week after that leaving the tank for no water changes for 6 weeks . Health declines at that point . Also .. You can't plant an African tank .. You simply can't .. Both the water and the fish themselves don't allow it.
Rams also don't tolerate subpar conditions .. Ask any breeder.. And many keepers .
Livebearers allow for so much error it's tricked you into thinking this is ok. Start keeping more advanced fish and see what happens. Oh.. And my stiphodon gobies .. They don't tolerate poor water either ..
Out of our 55k + members .. You are THE only one who actually advocates this insane way of keeping a tank and actually claims it's better . It CAN be done but it isn't even close to the best. I don't like bad advice or subpar advice being freely wielded to unsuspecting people who don't know better .. It's very predatory of you


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