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post #11 of 54 Old 10-13-2013, 11:39 PM Thread Starter
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How big a tank do you need to keep two bettas in? I read about a gal that claimed she had 2 male bettas in a 30 gallon. Is that possible?
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post #12 of 54 Old 10-13-2013, 11:39 PM
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I'm not going to argue against the test kit, it can't hurt, you just have to realize the limitations. Many of your hardcore NW cichlid keepers try for wild caught or F1 fish just for the reasons you mentioned. Your more serious breeders will outcross to wild stock when need be, then breed back to obtain their goal, with a fish that is stronger genetically.

The fish that are commonly sold in corporate owned & run shops usually come from a commercial outfit, many of which are in Florida or California, who do not give a care about the inbreeding & genetics behind the fish they sell. The Asian imports are just as bad. Your smaller independent shops are the ones who will deal with local breeders, these are the ones who will outcross & such for a stronger fish.
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post #13 of 54 Old 10-13-2013, 11:50 PM
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I know, off the subject,

Jaysee,
How big a tank do you need to keep two bettas in? I read about a gal that claimed she had 2 male bettas in a 30 gallon. Is that possible?
Depends on the bettas. Anything is possible. Is it likely to be duplicated? Probably not. Is it something that one should try and duplicate? Probably not. My question is how long had they been together when she claimed success? I see people say "this works" and "that works" when the fish had only been together for a week. As if that's an indication of how the next several years will go.

I think the smallest I would even be tempted to put 2 male bettas in is a 55. But really, why try to keep males together when keeping females together is a much more likely to work?
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125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
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post #14 of 54 Old 10-13-2013, 11:55 PM Thread Starter
I have never tried African cichlids before, just Scalare/Angle Fish.
I bred Black Lace Angle Fish as a kid, and again they seemed more aggressive than current ones I have bought at the Pet Store a few years ago.

I have had less success with cheap fish from Pets stores like PetSmart or Petco than I have from most independent stores. There also isn't that much of a difference in price either. One of those guys had a sale on Red Wagtail Play for $1.00 a fish, and then I walked into an independent store and they had almost full grown beautiful colored ones for $1.49 each. Those are both cheap prices!
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post #15 of 54 Old 10-13-2013, 11:57 PM
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Keep bettas together gets a whole lot easier when it's a species other than B. splendens ;)
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post #16 of 54 Old 10-13-2013, 11:59 PM Thread Starter
My experience with Betta has showed me that they can be a weird fish. I have had some in a Community tank that were pretty aggressive and some that get along fine. I have not bought females for years. They are probably nicer looking than they used to be considering all the breeding for that fish?
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post #17 of 54 Old 10-14-2013, 12:05 AM Thread Starter
Good point on the Betta, I forget that there is other species. Oh, that's right, "To Russia With Love," give the dead one to the cat. LOL!
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post #18 of 54 Old 10-14-2013, 12:50 AM
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Many of the fish we had were caught in the wild back then, and they seemed more aggressive and stronger to me than fish we get in the store nowadays. .
I can't deny this. I keep F1 (mostly and if not, close to that) African cichlids and have noticed when I veer from the close to wilds they behave different and are weaker it seems. But I do recommend having a test kit on hand for 2 reasons.. 1) when something goes wrong it may help you understand why 2) when setting up a new aquarium it helps you know where in the cycle you are. But after you get it well established .. Well at least for me.. an then after the cycle is done and nothing new is gong on I may test for fun every few months...maybe. You just need to know your fish and their behaviors
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post #19 of 54 Old 10-14-2013, 01:14 AM Thread Starter
I know you are right! I have had serious problems with my water quality.

The situation of a test kit may even be more needed since I have just built one of these CO2 generators for my swordplants from a 2 Liter and I have heard that it can screw up the PH of the tank. I have used them before, but I could be making my aquarium even worse.
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post #20 of 54 Old 10-14-2013, 01:31 AM
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Nooo. just get root tabs for swords! They are root feeders and once you know this they are one of the easiest to keep plants...hell I have runners that are now full plants in my little 16 that I need to get rid of and none of that high tech crazy stuff
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