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post #141 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 04:22 PM
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newbies require more than easy to follow methods
once they are convinced all you need is easy to follow methods.

beaslbob, you talk about the math of the effectiveness (or as you put it "ineffectiveness") of water changes.

putting aside your pride for a bit, there is an effectiveness that supports water changes, ...

going from "water changes" to "water changes are not needed because, well, because i've got proof.

yes, you have proof, i have proof, hundreds of other people have proof as well, ... what we don't have is anything to back up our proof, we have word-of-mouth, we have "well i did it, and things are stable"

we don't have proof

sitting back and saying "well i have done it, so you can do it too" that doesn't convince anyone of anything, ... your going about trying to convince people of your method and your method doesn't give any proof, it asks faith, ... we're not brought up in a world that encourages faith
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post #142 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 12:45 AM
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Maybe I'm just too trusting but I don't think beaslbob is lying.
I would like to set up a tank and try, but I would be worried about the fish. No water changes and no dechlor?

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post #143 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 05:58 AM
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I'd worry too, RS! I'd never be comfortable enough to risk those little lives . .. :/
. . .anyway, I enjoy being shoulder-deep in my tank! lol, I'd actually miss doing my water changes! . . . and I'm still fully convinced that my fish would miss them, too. ^__^
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post #144 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 06:59 AM
Food for thought

The only reason I do water changes is to clean up waste since I have plastic plants. If live plants are using the waste as food, why is there a need to change the water? Replacing evaporated water with tap water is akin to rain falling into a pond.
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post #145 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 07:12 AM
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Are you asking that after reading through this whole thread?

Water changes keep the fish healthy. Are there fish that can survive in extreme conditions? Yes, there are some tough fish out there that can survive whatever we throw at them. Are there fish that CANT survive in extreme conditions? You bet there are. So where does that leave us?? Well, if you want a tank you can neglect then you had better stock fish that can survive extreme conditions, like bob did with live bearers.

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post #146 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 07:19 AM
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Food for thought

The only reason I do water changes is to clean up waste since I have plastic plants. If live plants are using the waste as food, why is there a need to change the water? Replacing evaporated water with tap water is akin to rain falling into a pond.

Well... plants don't absorb everything. After a while the stuff like the TDS shoots up and can only be lowered with a water change....

My uncle keeps a heavily planted tank that doesn't ever get a water change. In my recent observations, the fish in there, though alive, are showing signs of stress and deformity.
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post #147 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 07:26 AM
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Well... plants don't absorb everything. After a while the stuff like the TDS shoots up and can only be lowered with a water change....

My uncle keeps a heavily planted tank that doesn't ever get a water change. In my recent observations, the fish in there, though alive, are showing signs of stress and deformity.
As long as you choose fish that doesn't require Low PH, then you should be ok... low PH usually means low TDS.
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As long as you choose fish that doesn't require Low PH, then you should be ok... low PH usually means low TDS.

So then wouldn't you agree that it in the interest of full disclosure, such a method should specify that it's for "only certain fish" rather than being passed off as a method for keeping all fish?

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post #149 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 07:40 AM
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So then wouldn't you agree that it in the interest of full disclosure, such a method should specify that it's for "only certain fish" rather than being passed off as a method for keeping all fish?
Most definitely. This "method" only creates an ecosystem for particular fish.
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post #150 of 189 Old 02-13-2014, 04:49 PM
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Anyone know what species might be suitable? I'm really intersted in trying this.
As long as it doesn't kill fish!

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