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post #131 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 01:32 AM
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Mikaila31, ... i'm always going to be chasing that pot at the end of the rainbow.

i call it 'not giving up'

in my frustration with beaslbob about not having any numbers for his aged tanks,
i'm getting an opposite consideration for you, still no numbers though. ... not on your maintained tanks, which considering the topic/thread, is far more important to get a baseline with than considering tanks we are all considering 'unmaintained'

unmaintained is just that, ... useless to compare stats against, ... unmaintained vs. unmaintained, what one has numbers closer to a maintained tank ?, ... first question, "what are some sample numbers for a maintained tank ?

... i'm going to have to look elsewhere.
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post #132 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 09:22 AM Thread Starter
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beaslbob, what are your water parameters for your older running tanks ?

Kh 4 degrees gh 9 degrees ph 8.4-8.8 for over two years.

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #133 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 09:36 AM Thread Starter
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You gave us a graph of 2 weeks of the beginning of a tank you kept a decade ago.. that a method does not make. Just 2 weeks. Also may I respectfully point out that you call it a leiden tank yet you say you don't use filtration or circulation? You do know that also the leiden tanks are recommended to use a canister filter? Why do you use legit methods ..still use their name then butcher them? It's either a leiden tank or its not..and it is not.. its a bealsbob tank. I mean no disrespect .. I'm just genuinely concerned about how you're aggressively pushing this in the beginner section.. Why not discuss it right here ..or offer your advice in the planted tank section?
I didn't think "you might take a look at the methods in my signature" is agressively pushing anything.

To me the newbie need easy to follow methods that result in a nice looking tank that is balanced, stable, and healthy right from the start.

Regradless of what we call the method.

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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #134 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 09:42 AM Thread Starter
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Water changes are good. Period.

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Then discuss this equation:

parameters before water change=value of replacement water+(change between water changes0/(fraction of water change)

And why it is possible to have 0 ammonia,nitrite,nitrates,phosphates and high pH for years with no water changes and a very heavy bioload.

Why inland aquatics in their maintenance systems do a 5% annual water change.

And why people doing water changes still report 1ppm ammonia after weeks of "cyclin g".

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #135 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 11:08 AM
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To me the newbie need easy to follow methods that result in a nice looking tank that is balanced, stable, and healthy right from the start.
Couldn't agree more, which is why we are all seeking some sheds of evidence that your method provides that. OTHER than your word. Lets be real - this is the internet.... you can say ANYTHING you want. None of us are even remotely satisfied with your "proof", mainly because all it is is you saying the same thing over and over and over again like a broken record. You even started a new thread posting old information that you've already posted here in this thread. Was that a joke?? You know what it is we want, and yet you just dance around and stick to your talking points. I'm starting to think that this is all just a game to you. But at this point your reluctance to divulge information speaks VOLUMES, and unfortunately due to the game you've played I don't know how anyone can believe any "real" proof you might furnish since it would be provided under duress, more or less.

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125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
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Couldn't agree more, which is why we are all seeking some sheds of evidence that your method provides that. OTHER than your word. Lets be real - this is the internet.... you can say ANYTHING you want. None of us are even remotely satisfied with your "proof", mainly because all it is is you saying the same thing over and over and over again like a broken record. You even started a new thread posting old information that you've already posted here in this thread. Was that a joke?? You know what it is we want, and yet you just dance around and stick to your talking points. I'm starting to think that this is all just a game to you. But at this point your reluctance to divulge information speaks VOLUMES, and unfortunately due to the game you've played I don't know how anyone can believe any "real" proof you might furnish since it would be provided under duress, more or less.
All I can do is report my experinces, post parameters, report newbie and commercial results.

The fact that millions of people use other techniques does not invalidate any of that.

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #137 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 11:50 AM Thread Starter
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Kh 4 degrees gh 9 degrees ph 8.4-8.8 for over two years.
Plus unmeasureable ammonia,nitrites,nitrates and phosphates.

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/

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post #138 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 11:53 AM
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Talking points and the same old information that doesn't mean anything.

You're clearly knowledgeable so I just can't understand why you can't provide more than that.

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
2.5 - betta

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post #139 of 189 Old 02-12-2014, 11:56 AM
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All I can do is report my experinces, post parameters,.

Two weeks of parameters ???? That's all you have? From the beginning of a 20g with 1 little fish? Then NOTHING else in your 35yrs of fishkeeping ????? The same graph you've posted all over every fish forum for YEARS. Are you saying you have nothing else for us?? Not even able to do some tests on your current tank? No pics of it either. Even our brand knew noobs on this site happily provide more info . Can you give us anything? Or are you trying to repeat the same thing on enough threads in enough forums just to see your "method" pop up on google more? Yes.. That's an honest question as well.


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All I can do is report my experinces, post parameters, report newbie and commercial results.

When other people come up with a "method" they are able to do a whole lot more than that.....

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
2.5 - betta
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